I'm pretty sure this is the same montage. Has he ever said Russia did it without moving on to also say it could be someone else? I don't recall a single instance of him not equivocating.
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I'm pretty sure this is the same montage. Has he ever said Russia did it without moving on to also say it could be someone else? I don't recall a single instance of him not equivocating.
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Ehh... when one spouts propaganda that's so far divorced from reality that it is, in a way, both hilarious and saddening, especially when that can be easily shown to be such, ridicule is a common reaction.
You're showing off that you're a gullible sucker, after all.
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For as long as I've been observing it, right-wing propaganda mills always try to convince us that the mainstream media is hiding stuff from us -- and their evidence comes from the mainstream media.
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Per the AP article, it's kind of alarming that Trump apparently *had no idea* he'd done poorly at the Putin summit. Someone posted that he knew as he walked away that he had screwed up, but that may not be true. If he didn't know, it speaks to his level of delusional thinking. IMO he personally has been having a hard time this summer. He seemed a little let down after the Singapore summit, which he had greatly anticipated, and he briefly seemed euphoric, but then the media almost unanimously reported that while the meeting was important symbolically it did not break any new ground in diplomacy. Then there was the family separation thing, which reflected poorly on his administration, and the way he handled the executive order. This will be a controversial view but I think there were worse players than Trump in that debacle, to wit, Jeff Sessions. (Would have been nice to see Sessions canned).
Still, he didn't seem totally detached from reality in those events. But thinking he'd done great with Putin, IMO that goes beyond a big ego and a lack of self-awareness. He thought people would cheer for him? How can you miss something so blindingly obvious to everyone? No one can blame that on "fake news."
I know some people here think he has lost none of his base but I'm not so sure. The military may be a bit annoyed with him right now and big business a little bit less gung-ho. I don't think a 25th amendment thing will happen, but I'd be surprised if his staff hasn't at least researched it. Trump seems in need of an intervention, though it probably would't work. If I were his staff I'd be working around the guy, seeking to control damage. It's pretty clear that someone else is already writing a lot of his tweets.
Still, he didn't seem totally detached from reality in those events. But thinking he'd done great with Putin, IMO that goes beyond a big ego and a lack of self-awareness. He thought people would cheer for him? How can you miss something so blindingly obvious to everyone? No one can blame that on "fake news."
I know some people here think he has lost none of his base but I'm not so sure. The military may be a bit annoyed with him right now and big business a little bit less gung-ho. I don't think a 25th amendment thing will happen, but I'd be surprised if his staff hasn't at least researched it. Trump seems in need of an intervention, though it probably would't work. If I were his staff I'd be working around the guy, seeking to control damage. It's pretty clear that someone else is already writing a lot of his tweets.
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Mexico's new president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, has a sense of humor, per The Economist:
Something I read said that if Putin really were in cahoots with Trump, it would have looked better to have Trump lambaste him at the press conference, not roll over submissively. So while Putin wanted Trump to win, he really might not be thrilled about Trump's man-crush.
Who here thinks Putin will say yes to a fall summit with Trump? He may actually see it as tedious and inconvenient, and string Trump along. He's got more on his mind than U.S. relations, and he knows Trump is unreliable.
Is Trump is still gunning for the Nobel Prize?
ETA: The "something I read" is in the New Yorker link kellyb posted in the Mueller thread.
Something I read said that if Putin really were in cahoots with Trump, it would have looked better to have Trump lambaste him at the press conference, not roll over submissively. So while Putin wanted Trump to win, he really might not be thrilled about Trump's man-crush.
Who here thinks Putin will say yes to a fall summit with Trump? He may actually see it as tedious and inconvenient, and string Trump along. He's got more on his mind than U.S. relations, and he knows Trump is unreliable.
Is Trump is still gunning for the Nobel Prize?
ETA: The "something I read" is in the New Yorker link kellyb posted in the Mueller thread.
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Possibly.
I think he really believed he could swoop in and run it just like his "family owned" companies/empire. All his bluster about how easy everything would be, he'd just decide on the best course and tell congress or the agencies and that would be that. Rebuild his own name brand at the same time I expect.
But it's not.
For the first time, he's now an actual CEO. The "chief exec", but without a true deciding/overriding vote on everything and with a rather large board of directors (congress). He also forgets the position comes with 300+ million stockowners and most of them are "voting shareholders". He forgets he was in essence "hired" and, ostensibly... we are his "bosses".
The "business" is the U.S.A. ... and he's hurt the "brand" terribly.
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I keep forgetting to mention...
There's a damn good reason US presidents tend to go gray in under four years. It's a damn stressful job.
How's Donny gonna keep denying he dyes his rug/ferret/hair(?) if he doesn't go gray?
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He experimented with a more silver look and modified hairstyle in December 2016 - I thought it looked better but he very quickly changed back. Probably thought it made him look old.There's a damn good reason US presidents tend to go gray in under four years. It's a damn stressful job.
How's Donny gonna keep denying he dyes his rug/ferret/hair(?) if he doesn't go gray?
Trump doesn't look like he's having a good time as president. The stupid combover and orange bottle tan look like crap on him. He's stressed when reality comes knocking, he's obese, his diet is trailer-park pathetic, and he's completely out of shape. It's a measure of his idiocy that he thinks he's going to last very long on sheer pretence.
The stupidest thing Trump ever did was become president. I predict that he'll regret it, if he doesn't already.
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Putin will come. It will be like Trump visiting UK, protests.
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It may look like a bottle tan but it probably isn't considering how much time Trump spends on the golf course.
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Putin probably wants a closer look at his investment.
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The problem is -- and I don't believe you don't perfectly understand this -- that he also, simultaneously, denies such involvement. He just does not care about the truth.
Imagine if during the Cuban missile crisis Kennedy went to Cuba, got an assurance from Castro that there were no missiles on Cuba, and spoke to the press about how there aren't missiles on Cuba because Castro said so, and also how the US intelligence was fake news and a "witch hunt". Oh, and would you believe Castro gave him a soccer ball for his very own, look how happy he is!
Then when he returns to the US he is surprised everyone is pissed at him and says he "mis-spoke" and apparently "it's a witch hunt and there are no rockets on Cuba" means "sure, there's nukes there, I never thought otherwise".
Problem is, as you well know, that you just never know when Trump lies and when he doesn't. This is something you would never accept from Clinton or Obama, yet when Trump does it you for some reason pretend you don't understand the problem.
It's like every single Trump supporter is incapable of reason and rational discussion, or at least pretends to be.
PS: pro-tip: you need to actually spend a tiny amount of time watching "MSM" to know what MSM claims. Otherwise you are incredibly easy to manipulate, as you just demonstrated.
Whenever Trump has to answer questions I'm reminded of some poor student who has to sit through an exam they haven't studied one minute for. Faltering speech and babbling about irrelevant topics to disguise the knoweldge gaps.
"Cuban missile crisis? Yeah, that was bad. Widely regarded as bad. We came so close to nuclear war, like I read this article and it said we came so close, and..."
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Honestly, the conspiracy theory (pretty much, given the lack of evidence) presented by Wolff in Fire and Fury that it was all a show and that he never meant to actually win actually seems likely.
We'll never know unless he admits it himself or there's a document leak or something, I suppose. But it would explain all his blatant missteps, from the "grab them by the [cat]" scandal to all the plain weird things he said and did. Wolff likened it to the plot of The Producers: a gang of criminals set out to create a show that is so outlandish and guaranteed to fail... that it accidentally goes on to become a big hit.
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He's going to regret it given all his and his family's money laundering is going to come to light.
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Please don't use that word ever again...it has lost all meaning today.
That's much of what I meant. He's spent his life as a privileged snowflake accountable for nothing, but now that has changed, and he's under scrutiny every day. What an absolute idiot that he didn't see that coming.
Like I said, I think it's wearing on him. It's of course a shame that he's damaging the country as he blunders his way to his comeuppance.
He really thinks he's a genius and has the answer for everything. What a tragic, deluded fool.
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I thought he wanted to win but had not thought out the implications. Speculation is that various past business partners (many in central Asia) know he's done sketchy things and that there are bits of information out there that can be used for leverage. Stuff that wouldn't be a huge danger to Trump the private citizen but could be damaging to a U.S. president.
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54 to 48 percent of Republican voters in 48 light red districts (Republican held) said that the Republican party was more corrupt than the Democratic Party. 60 percent of Independent voters also came to that conclusion.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/17/corruption-republicans-democrats-poll-728977
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/17/corruption-republicans-democrats-poll-728977
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The term "fake news" as used by ordinary people: media that deliberately broadcasts misinformation.
The term "Fake news" as used by Trumpkins: when mean people in msm speak ill of my Dear Leader to hurt his feelings.
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