TERFs crash London Pride

JihadJane said:
In what kind of situations do you worry about being raped?
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I don't put myself in such situations but personally only when I'm drinking around strangers/acquaintances. Rape isn't a very high fear on my list, though, since it's not all that common compared to simpler things like random violence (ex/ being jumped and beaten by strangers - which has happened to me)

But I'm not a woman so I haven't been taught my entire life that being out in the dark, alone, etc. is a unique risk for women, despite men being more likely the victims of most violent crime.

What about you? Do you fear being raped in the washroom? Domestic violence shelter? change room?
 
Porpoise of Life said:
How is that relevant? Is it your opinion that transwomen are secretly undercover male rapists?
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That does seem to be the fear. Because their sex is male, any one of them could be a surprise rapist or murderer in a female space. Not like women can do those things.
 
And the irony is... I should be enjoying this.

I've long criticized certain progressives as being far too focused on both labeling of smaller and smaller special categories and of "victim ranking" where everything a nested meta-discussion about who has privilege over whom and I have always sort of had a feeling it was only a matter of time before two groups each claimed victimhood under the other it was going to be fun watching progressives try to make sense of it all and I actually figured gender would be where it would happen.

I should enjoy pointing and laughing at two groups both claiming the moral superiority of being the victim.

Now that I'm seeing it for real it's a lot more toxic and icky. It's not fun.
 
Rolfe said:
Male or female lesbians, I wonder?

They simply pitched up to join what was supposed to be an inclusive march. Funny how the "lesbians" marching with the pink baseball bats wrapped in barbed wire and labelled things like "TERF-basher" were allowed to participate unhindered.
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Ok, really not keen to join this thread but the highlighted seemed unusual. Are you claiming London Pride allowed people to march with weapons? I've done a quick google and found nothing, but my google powers are weak. Anyway I assume you've got a photo link?
 
I certainly saw a couple of photos of it. It was similar weapons to the things that were exhibited in the San Fransisco library a month or two ago. Maybe the library exhibits inspired their creation, I don't know. It was an overt demonstration from the "punch a TERF" contingent and no attempt was made to prevent it.

I saw a twitter thread where someone was challenging one of the "lesbian with a penis" contingent about this apparent incitement to violence and he started backtracking and claiming it was only symbolic to show these uppity women who was boss, of course nobody would dream of actually using the things, so it was all fine. And besides, it was entirely justified because refusing to recognise a man as a lesbian and even referring to him as "he" is "literal violence" which more than deserves a violent response. It was all pretty unpleasant.
 
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sadhatter said:
Again I agree with your point, mostly.

Said men are not doing it for other men, they are doing it to get laid. It's just not hip to not confirm to sjw standards. Same guys were wearing ed hardy, pink good shirts and switched right from rock to rap. Not because they like these things but because it was hip and would score them points.
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No one here is making an argument against TERFs and for trans acceptance to get laid. I think the only person skilled enough to possibly increase their chances of getting laid with a post of any kind on this forum is TragicMonkey.

Your assertion that people don't make that argument in good faith is totally irrelevant here. You can assume that those of use arguing against TERFs actually do believe they are wrong. Some of us just aren't looking here to get some.
 
I don't think you even know what you're arguing against. You perceive the "trans cause" as being in support of a group that has been presented to you as marginalised and vulnerable, and so worthy of your support. You don't have the first idea of the concerns of the people who are being negatively impacted by this "cause", whose hard-won rights are being taken away without any consultation, and who are being called every nasty name in the book (including by you) for daring to try to discuss the issue.

I think you're in blind denial of the sort of people who are riding along on the trans bandwagon, and the harm they're doing to women, to children and to genuine trans-sexual people. I think this bubble is going to burst in the short to medium term and it will be regarded as the equivalent of the satanic abuse/recovered memories craze of the late 20th century. The reactions will be interesting, particularly as so many people's right-on support of these bullies has been committed to the internet in perpetuity.

So no, I don't think you're insincere, just woefully, ignorantly, blindly one-sided.
 
I'm a little surprised nobody has commented on this yet.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/68044...s-days-after-arriving-at-west-yorkshire-jail/

It is claimed the first attack *happened within days of the transgender prisoner’s arrival at high-security New Hall, Wakefield, West Yorks. The alleged victim — an inmate with whom she had struck up a friendship — said the remand prisoner stood close to her and touched her arm while her erect penis was sticking out from the top of her trousers.
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"Her erect penis" - we're not in Kansas any more, Toto. Would someone try to explain why the asserted feeling in this guy's head that he's a woman is sufficient reason to put often vulnerable women prisoners at risk of rape?
 
Rolfe said:
I don't think you even know what you're arguing against. You perceive the "trans cause" as being in support of a group that has been presented to you as marginalised and vulnerable, and so worthy of your support.
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I've seen them marginalized and been made vulnerable.


You don't have the first idea of the concerns of the people who are being negatively impacted by this "cause",
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That's wrong. I've been involved and studying feminism and LBGTQ issues literally from age 12. Having a concern doesn't make you right. Believing you are being negatively impacted doesn't make it so. It certainly doesn't mean I don't have the first idea of those concerns.

whose hard-won rights are being taken away without any consultation,
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Did you not see the march? Do you believe these things aren't discussed in the broader LGBTQ community? You're simply, factually, wrong again. That your arguments aren't winning, that you aren't given everything you demand, in no way means you weren't consulted, and it certainly doesn't mean the group you're a part of wasn't. They generally don't even agree with you.

and who are being called every nasty name in the book (including by you) for daring to try to discuss the issue.
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'Cis' and 'TERF' aren't even in the book of nasty names. You are making up offense.

I think you're in blind denial of the sort of people who are riding along on the trans bandwagon, and the harm they're doing to women, to children and to genuine trans-sexual people. I think this bubble is going to burst in the short to medium term and it will be regarded as the equivalent of the satanic abuse/recovered memories craze of the late 20th century. The reactions will be interesting, particularly as so many people's right-on support of these bullies has been committed to the internet in perpetuity.

So no, I don't think you're insincere, just woefully, ignorantly, blindly one-sided.
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More nasty names?

Your concerns are very much of the 'Satanic Panic' type ironically enough. Rationalize my holding my position any way you like; your opinion of that neither interests me nor changes a thing about the arguments presented. It doesn't matter that I think you're having the exact same reaction as white Americans insisting that others gaining rights, acceptance, and civil liberties means you're losing (any of those or other privileges). 'Riding along with'. You know, that is exactly the argument against immigrants. Yeah, there are trans people who are ******** and even sexual predators. This is because, as most everyone knows, trans people are people. Some even like pineapple on their pizza.

You're on the wrong side of history, and it isn't even like it's a hard call anymore. I wish I could say your position is even an extreme for TERFs, but it's pretty middle of the road there.
 
tyr_13 said:
Staggering wrong.
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The case in question was in England. The Pride march being discussed was in England. The law in England defines rape as penetration by a penis. If someone does not have a penis then they cannot, by definition, be guilty of rape. Women may well assault other women in different ways, but under the jurisdiction under discussion, they cannot possibly rape them.
 
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