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Guns for Kindergarteners!

ddt said:
Butt Matt Gaetz was not in the video, to my recollection.
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He is the first Congressman who appears in the video. He looks at least somewhat incredulous and says something like, "You want me to appear on video saying I support arming 3 and 4 year olds? We typically don't just hear about a programme and then support it."

Then it cuts to Trent Lott saying,

"I support the Kinder Guardians Programme".
 
ddt said:
Butt Matt Gaetz was not in the video, to my recollection.
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I've been assuming it's the same video I posted in the thread for the show:



Perhaps it's not.

I'm saying there are two categories of persons Sasha Baron Cohen approached:
1) those who got on the video and fully endorsed Kinder-Guardians
2) those who refused to get on video or to endorse the proposal (like Matt Gaetz) but didn't reject it either;
and that a third category is entirely absent:
3) those who refused to get on video and called it for what it is, lunacy.
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Yes, that's what I thought you meant. You're probably right but, again, that's because he's making an entertainment show, rather than a statistically-accurate documentary about what Americans think of arming 3 year-olds.

A one-on-one with Tony Benn is quite something different than a video featuring several people.
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Correct. That isn't a counter-argument.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
It doesn't seem unlikely to me that if someone had stood up to Cohen's new character the way Benn stood up to Ali G that it would be included in the video.
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The segment itself probably works much better with those who agree with the Israeli character.

However, having read a bit more on this show, it seems SBC has a few characters on this show with characters across the political spectrum. It seems that Bernie Sanders essentially performs a very similar role to Tony Benn in one interview in this series.
 
angrysoba said:
He is the first Congressman who appears in the video. He looks at least somewhat incredulous and says something like, "You want me to appear on video saying I support arming 3 and 4 year olds? We typically don't just hear about a programme and then support it."

Then it cuts to Trent Lott saying,

"I support the Kinder Guardians Programme".
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You're right, my recollection was faulty.

Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I've been assuming it's the same video I posted in the thread for the show:



Perhaps it's not.
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Thank you for including the video again for my convenience. I stand corrected, see above.

Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Yes, that's what I thought you meant. You're probably right but, again, that's because he's making an entertainment show, rather than a statistically-accurate documentary about what Americans think of arming 3 year-olds.
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No, of course it isn't. The Congress critters that appear have been selected by his first visits to Philip van Cleave (nomen est omen?) and then Larry Pratt. Still it's worrying that we know not of any of these Congress critters who threw him unceremoniously out of the office.
 
theprestige said:
Toddlers aren't responsible enough to be thrown into a swimming pool unattended. But we give toddlers swimming lessons anyway. How do we manage the risk?
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Analogy fail. This is throwing the toddlers in the swimming pool unattended.

The "giving them swimming lessons" side would be teaching them proper gun safety but not letting them keep a gun afterwards.

You give a toddler swimming lessons so that in the future they may swim alone.
 
Just an aside, but given the number of toddlers who have fatally shot people in recent years, it would seem that they can be fairly proficient shots... :rolleyes:
 
smartcooky said:
I thought that the vast majority of Americans would not have been stupid enough to vote for Trump.
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To borrow an answer on that subject...

About 55.7 percent of eligible voters in the United States voted in the 2016 Presidential election.

Of those, about 46.1 percent voted for Donald Trump.

Multiply those out, and about 25.7 percent of all eligible voters in the USA voted for Trump. (26.8 percent voted for Hillary Clinton.)
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Slightly less than three quarters of eligible Americans did not vote for Trump.
 
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Aridas said:
Slightly less than three quarters of eligible Americans did not vote for Trump.
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It's across the board amazingly unrealistic but it's hilarious to think what would happen if there was a clause that you didn't win the Presidency until at least.... 80% of the population voted so not only would you have to win votes you'd have to convince people to get out and vote and run the risk of them voting for another candidate.

So like we'd have the election in November and Bill gets 52% of the vote and Steve gets 48%... but only 50% of the eligible population voted so they have to go out and re-campaign to get that 50% above 80% without giving more votes to the other side. So they have... run off election for the people who didn't vote in November in December and count those votes but since the vote was so close it's possible that Steve got enough votes to put him over and they still didn't make it 80% turnout the process would repeat to the point that Steve and Bill would literally be going to people's doors individually trying to get a vote out of them.

It would be entertaining if nothing else.
 
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smartcooky said:
Wow, as many as that. One in four!
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If a UK politician is fooled by someone to say outrageous things, there would at least be calls for them to resign. Is there any sign of that happening to those who supported the guns for children?

Or is the idea not that outrageous?
 
Nessie said:
If a UK politician is fooled by someone to say outrageous things, there would at least be calls for them to resign. Is there any sign of that happening to those who supported the guns for children?

Or is the idea not that outrageous?
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You say that like Democrats have any faith that the Republicans will listen to them and that their Republican bases haven't been deeply influenced by the far right propaganda of the NRA.
 
Nessie said:
If a UK politician is fooled by someone to say outrageous things, there would at least be calls for them to resign. Is there any sign of that happening to those who supported the guns for children?

Or is the idea not that outrageous?
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You'd think, but were there resignations over BrassEye?
 
Aridas said:
To borrow an answer on that subject...

About 55.7 percent of eligible voters in the United States voted in the 2016 Presidential election.

Of those, about 46.1 percent voted for Donald Trump.

Multiply those out, and about 25.7 percent of all eligible voters in the USA voted for Trump. (26.8 percent voted for Hillary Clinton.)
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Slightly less than three quarters of eligible Americans did not vote for Trump.
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However the Math also works this way.

44.3% of Americans failed to vote. thus showing that they had no preference in who was to be President. They either thought that all candidates were equally bad, or equally good, or they simply didn't care who was President enough to try and prevent any candidate from winning by voting for the opponent.

As a result you have a total of 70.0% of Americans either totally supportive of Trump, or at least not caring enough to prevent his winning.
 
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Getting back to the OP, anyone else note that Cohen's persona said that the children were instructed in rudimentary use of mortars, as well?
 
Thermal said:
Getting back to the OP, anyone else note that Cohen's persona said that the children were instructed in rudimentary use of mortars, as well?
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Cohen has a certain satirical genius that allows him to identify and pillory the most ridiculous faults of his targets. Based on the short clips I've seen, he has really hit the mark on these pro-gun conservatives. Many of these politicians are so well trained by the NRA contingency that the gut reaction is to support any pro-gun idea, no matter how absurd. My jaw dropped when he got all these folks to support arming 6 year olds.
 
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