Cont: Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday pt 2

[plague311]

I get that I am probably the only one who read, let alone understood, the indictment, but the indictment repeatedly uses the phrase "spearphishing" to describe the Russians approaches to the servers.

You don't understand **** about spear phishing. It bring up the server because that's what handled her email. It is not an attack on the server at all, even a little bit. It's an attempt to get someone to hand over confidential information by spoofing or faking emails. Generally to make it look like a friend or co worker. The difference between "phishing" and "spear phishing" is one is directed at an individual.

Glad I could help.

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[The Big Dog]

It's sad that Russians care more about our country than Democrats. So many of you have it backwards. We shouldn't have sanctions; we should be thanking them for saving us from Hildabeast.

Harsh but fair.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

No. It is unknown whether Clinton's server was hacked into.

No no, don't start that crap argument here, you are in the wrong thread.

 

[NoahFence]

I get that I am probably the only one who read, let alone understood, the indictment, but the indictment repeatedly uses the phrase "spearphishing" to describe the Russians approaches to the servers.

You don't spearfish a server.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Sounds like Rosenstein is suggesting an out for Trump, the campaign didn't know they were dealing with Russians.

I don't think that will fly, but it could be a plot to keep Trump from firing Rosenstein and trying to stop Mueller.

Considering Papadopoulos discussed ending Russian sanctions with Trump.

Seth Abramson
29/ Timeline: Manafort hired; Papadopoulos hired; Russian attack starts; Russia gets Clinton dirt; Russia opens negotiations via Papadopoulos (Papadopoulos tells Trump this); Trump offers Russia a "good deal" on sanctions at the Mayflower (with Kislyak in the front row as a VIP).

 

[plague311]

You don't spearfish a server.

He doesn't understand, but he'll tell you how wrong you are all day!

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[Upchurch]

No. That's not what's going on at all. The point, which you studiously avoid, is that investigations can turn up crimes unrelated to the original subject of the investigation.

True, that can happen. That's not really what is happening in the Mueller investigation, though. So far, almost all the guilty pleas have been due to attempt to cover up connections between Trump campaign staffers and various Russian entities and activities. They have all had to do with Russia.

• "George Papadopolous ...pleads guilty to lying about his contacts with Russians who claimed to have “thousands of emails” on Clinton."
• "Michael T. Flynn ...pleads guilty to lying about his contacts with the Russian ambassador during the presidential transition. Flynn and the ambassador discussed sanctions imposed by the Obama administration in retaliation for Russia’s election interference."
• "Alex van der Zwaan ...pleads guilty to lying to federal agents about his work with Manafort and Gates on a controversial report used to defend the former pro-Russian government of Ukraine against accusations that it had improperly prosecuted a political opponent."
• "Gates pleads guilty to charges of conspiracy and lying to federal agents, and he agrees to cooperate with the special counsel’s office."
• "Richard Pinedo pleads guilty to identity theft for selling information to Russians."

(source)

You'll note that none of them are related to, for example, tax fraud in Wyoming or embezzling money from a US telecom. They all have to do with the numerous ways in which the Russians were involved with the Trump campaign, either through direct campaign contact or arranging the means to target or propagate propaganda.


Say that three times fast: "propagate propaganda"

 

[Slings and Arrows]

"What’s on the Liberal Whining Wheel for today? Climate change (no, boring), “babies in cages” (nope, lies), BLM (not until nearer the election), guns (tired of the grumpy kid), tariffs (yawn), whining actresses (hypocrisy), so...Russia, it is!"
-- James Woods (July 13, 2018)

 

[NoahFence]

No. It is unknown whether Clinton's server was hacked into.

If there is no evidence of that at this point, it's pretty damn safe to say it wasn't. You people have had years and years to get that evidence.

 

[The Big Dog]

I get that I am probably the only one who read, let alone understood, the indictment, but the indictment repeatedly uses the phrase "spearphishing" to describe the Russians approaches to the servers.

"How the committee hacks began: The Russians spearphished a DCCC employee, used her credentials to infect the DCCC network and spy on employees, and then stole the credentials of a DCCC employee who also had access to the DNC network, which let them into there."

E. Geller

Golly, I bet we get lots more people whining about my precise and correct use of the phrase "spearphishing" tho, because of course.

 

[acbytesla]

Our correspondents are conflating several issues.

Hillary had a cowboy server.
Hillary shut down the cowboy server
then
In April 2016 the Russians started trying to get access Clinton's computers
In 2016, Russians successfully spearphished the Clinton campaign, Podesta in particular
On July 27, 2016, trump "asked" the Russians to find the missing 30k emails from the cowboy server.
Also on July 27, the Russians tried for the first time to get access to a different third party email service associated with the clinton campaign (not the cowboy server!)

These are the facts as alleged.

"Faithfully submitted, Douglas C. Neidermeyer, The big dog Sergeant At Arms

Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

Just because one thing is latter than the other doesn't prove in the slightest that the former was the proximate cause.

You do remind me of Neidermeyer


Neigh, whinny.

 

[Segnosaur]

"What’s on the Liberal Whining Wheel for today? Climate change (no, boring), “babies in cages” (nope, lies), BLM (not until nearer the election), guns (tired of the grumpy kid), tariffs (yawn), whining actresses (hypocrisy), so...Russia, it is!"
-- James Woods (July 13, 2018)

Its a shame... I used to like Woods as an actor (and his appearances in Family Guy have been quite funny.) But, when I see him go so far off the deep end (as he has with Trump support), I am less likely to want to watch him in anything he appears in.

Now, lest anyone accuse me of being a "looney lefty", I also feel the same way about Sean Penn... an actor associated with left wing causes who may be a good actor but who's pretentiousness/arrogance makes me want to avoid his films too.

(Yeah, I know... me avoiding their movies probably doesn't impact them at all. Still makes me feel better though.)

 

[plague311]

"How the committee hacks began: The Russians spearphished a DCCC employee, used her credentials to infect the DCCC network and spy on employees, and then stole the credentials of a DCCC employee who also had access to the DNC network, which let them into there."

E. Geller

Golly, I bet we get lots more people whining about my precise and correct use of the phrase "spearphishing" tho, because of course.

By precise you mean, "They didn't spearphish the server" which is what you previously claimed. Thanks for literally owning yourself. I like it when you make my job easier.

The funny part is that you don't even know what part you're getting wrong.

ETA: I will take exception to the word "hack" though. I hate that the word is used for everything. It's not a hack if you get someone to hand over the information

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[Hellbound]

For general edification:

Phishing is the fraudulent attempt to obtain sensitive information such as usernames, passwords, and credit card details (and money), often for malicious reasons, by disguising as a trustworthy entity in an electronic communication.

Spear Phishing is an email targeted at a specific individual or department within an organization that appears to be from a trusted source. It's actually cybercriminals attempting to steal confidential information.

Spearphishing is a targeting phishing attack. It's directed against people, and is a type of social engineering.

Talking about "spearphishing a server" shows either ignorance, or excessively sloppy language ability.

 

[plague311]

For general edification:

Phishing is the fraudulent attempt to obtain sensitive information such as usernames, passwords, and credit card details (and money), often for malicious reasons, by disguising as a trustworthy entity in an electronic communication.

Spear Phishing is an email targeted at a specific individual or department within an organization that appears to be from a trusted source. It's actually cybercriminals attempting to steal confidential information.

Spearphishing is a targeting phishing attack. It's directed against people, and is a type of social engineering.

Talking about "spearphishing a server" shows either ignorance, or excessively sloppy language ability.

I *heart* this post.

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[The Big Dog]

Talking about "spearphishing a server" shows either ignorance, or excessively sloppy language ability.

Amen! Who here in this thread wrote "spearphishing a server"? How ridiculous.

Wasn't me of course.

Got a link, because that is too much!

 

[Hellbound]

I *heart* this post.

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What can I say, IT is what I do. And a lot of it security-related (PKI, Authentication/Authorization, and Anti-Malware).

 

[The Big Dog]

What can I say, IT is what I do. And a lot of it security-related (PKI, Authentication/Authorization, and Anti-Malware).

Cool! So looking forward to where someone wrote ""spearphishing a server"

Excited.

 

[dudalb]

1. Every single one of those indictments came out of an investigation into Russian meddling in a U.S. election, so to say they had nothing to do with Russia is stupid on the face of it.

2. We indicted bin Laden and he was outside the jurisdiction of the U.S. We do that sort of thing all the time. It's a way to let the rest of the world know that this person has done something that violated the laws of the United States and, if they are caught in a country with an extradition treaty, allows for them to be returned to face trial.

And now I'm done talking to you, because you're going to utterly ignore the facts anyway.

Ignoring the facts is pretty much a requirement to be a Trump supporter.

 

[plague311]

Cool! So looking forward to where someone wrote ""spearphishing a server"

Excited.

You did. This pathetic attempt at saying "I said teh approach not teh server lolz, I r still teh right" *emoji x 10* doesn't work on people that aren't Trump supporters.

Just pretend you're right, blurt out some Danths law personification and we can all move on.

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