Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[jadebox]

Note that starting at the 25 minute mark Mills discusses that Raman spectroscopy curve result we were discussing some days ago.

He says it is 'absolutely reproducible', and that they have done so at many labs, including that of the 'instrument manufacturer', which in context may be the Horiba Scientific company in Edison New Jersey.

Even if that's true, being able to reproduce anomalous readings outside the range of the instrument's design isn't evidence of hydrinos. It is just evidence that the same anomalous readings are produced when you misuse the device the same way.

 

[markie]

From the link...




Nope not "Totally different", the shell theorem already specifically "can be applied to objects inside or outside a spherically symmetrical body".

OK, in simple terms: We're not talking about the force of the electron on the proton. We're talking about the force of the proton on the electron.

 

[Hellbound]

Even if that's true, being able to reproduce anomalous readings outside the range of the instrument's design isn't evidence of hydrinos. It is just evidence that the same anomalous readings are produced when you misuse the device the same way.

Yep. Just like the orbs on cameras are reproducible, but not indicative of anything except using equipment outside operating ranges.

 

[JeanTate]

It should be welcome news that the physics of the atom and the physics of GR are not incompatible with Mills' theory.

As Mills says later on in page 9,

"The two other theories are more or less mathematics curve fits to the Rydberg formula with inherent physical and mathematical flaws. ... In contrast, the stable electron current at the n = 1 state and the quantized excited states and their lifetimes can be solved precisely in closed-form equations containing fundamental constants only using physical laws that do not miss the Lamb shirt, fine structure, hyperfine structure, magnetic moment, Stern Gerlach experimental results, g factors, and relativistic invariance as the Schrodinger equation does."

There are mathematical juicy details on the same page that you may be interested in.

That is awesomely great news!

May I ask, in which high impact, respectable peer-reviewed physics journal did Mills publish this multiple Nobel Prize worthy material? When? How many thousand citations has his “worthy of Einstein” paper got, as of today? Has the Prez been informed? It’ll surely, truly make America great!

 

[markie]

Only if equal charge distribution over the entirety of the shell was a requirement of the shell itself. Which I do seem to recall being asserted somewhere. Though just self-inconsistency wouldn't be, well, inconsistent with such assertions.

The charge distribution is equal on an H atom's orbitsphere, which is one of the factors which makes hydrogen, and only hydrogen, capable of dropping to a lower energy state than 'ground'.

Water does not have an equal charge distribution. Mills quantifies the charge distribution, bond angles, etc on such molecules. So well in fact that he can predict such properties for very large molecules like insulin, at all places on the molecule.

 

[JeanTate]

OK, in simple terms: We're not talking about the force of the electron on the proton. We're talking about the force of the proton on the electron.

Which, in the absence of acceleration, will be equal in magnitude but opposite in direction... ah, the delights of Mills magic

 

[JeanTate]

The charge distribution is equal on an H atom's orbitsphere, which is one of the factors which makes hydrogen, and only hydrogen, capable of dropping to a lower energy state than 'ground'.

Water does not have an equal charge distribution. Mills quantifies the charge distribution, bond angles, etc on such molecules. So well in fact that he can predict such properties for very large molecules like insulin, at all places on the molecule.

Of course!

He⁺ will have exactly the same distribution (apart from trivial factors), as will Li²⁺, Be³⁺, ... (not to mention exotics like a proton with a -muon, a +muon with an electron, ...).

Strange that none of those are capable of dropping to a lower energy state than ground, wouldn’t you say?

 

[Hellbound]

Of course!

He⁺ will have exactly the same distribution (apart from trivial factors), as will Li²⁺, Be³⁺, ... (not to mention exotics like a proton with a -muon, a +muon with an electron, ...).

Strange that none of those are capable of dropping to a lower energy state than ground, wouldn’t you say?

No fair looking behind the curtain!

 

[halleyscomet]

Note that starting at the 25 minute mark Mills discusses that Raman spectroscopy curve result we were discussing some days ago.

He says it is 'absolutely reproducible', and that they have done so at many labs, including that of the 'instrument manufacturer', which in context may be the Horiba Scientific company in Edison New Jersey.

His saying it doesn't make it so. Where are the published papers demonstrating his claims?

Where is the paper outlining how to reproduce his claims? We've already discussed some of the ways the paper you've already presented is missing key data needed to reproduce his claimed results.

More to the point, why is he bragging about reproducing obviously doctored data? He got downright sloppy when he didn't bother coming up with new readings when he supposedly re-did the test on new hardware.

But hey, I appreciate you taking a swing at that ball and trying to defend Mills, even though you have no evidence beyond a claim he made in a Thernos grade "demonstration" event.

 

[markie]

Which, in the absence of acceleration, will be equal in magnitude but opposite in direction... ah, the delights of Mills magic

No worries, the current loops of mass - charge on the orbitsphere are of course accelerating.

 

[halleyscomet]

That is awesomely great news!

May I ask, in which high impact, respectable peer-reviewed physics journal did Mills publish this multiple Nobel Prize worthy material? When? How many thousand citations has his “worthy of Einstein” paper got, as of today? Has the Prez been informed? It’ll surely, truly make America great!

It's probably in his self-published book.

 

[JeanTate]

It's probably in his self-published book.

And what better high-impact, respectable, peer-reviewed physics journal is there? I mean, at least half a dozen physics Nobel Prize winners published their seminal papers there, didn’t they?

 

[markie]

Of course!

He⁺ will have exactly the same distribution (apart from trivial factors), as will Li²⁺, Be³⁺, ... (not to mention exotics like a proton with a -muon, a +muon with an electron, ...).

Strange that none of those are capable of dropping to a lower energy state than ground, wouldn’t you say?

Has to be neutral, which is another condition. Not sure what disqualifies a proton with a - muon, or a + muon with an electron, if anything, except of course for the muon's very short life. Speaking of which, read anything in the last couple of years about QT's problem with dealing with a simple muon orbiting a proton?

 

[halleyscomet]

And what better high-impact, respectable, peer-reviewed physics journal is there? I mean, at least half a dozen physics Nobel Prize winners published their seminal papers there, didn’t they?

That depends of if you count being plagiarized by Mills as publishing their work there.

 

[JeanTate]

Has to be neutral, which is another condition. Not sure what disqualifies a proton with a - muon, or a + muon with an electron, if anything, except of course for the muon's very short life. Speaking of which, read anything in the last couple of years about QT's problem with dealing with a simple muon orbiting a proton?

Ah, more magic!

Let’s add deuterium and tritium then. Oh, and a muons half-life is anything but short ... care to do a calculation of how many times an electron goes around a muon before it decays? Very likely far more times than the Moon has gone round the Earth since you or I were born!

 

[The Man]

OK, in simple terms: We're not talking about the force of the electron on the proton. We're talking about the force of the proton on the electron.

What electron? Do you mean the orbitsphere?" What is the "the force of the proton on" every part of the equal charge distributed "H atom's orbitsphere"?

Hint: the vector sum rhymes with Nero (and again only if the proton is exactly in the center)



Have you forgotten we have been over all this already?

 

[halleyscomet]

What electron? Do you mean the orbitsphere?" What is the "the force of the proton on" every part of the equal charge distributed "H atom's orbitsphere"?



Hint: the vector sum rhymes with Nero (and again only if the proton is exactly in the center)







Have you forgotten we have been over all this already?

It’s a standard “fringe reset” tactic to drudge up old issues. This has the benefit of potentially ensnaring people new to the discussion while retarding all efforts at advancing the discussion. It keeps the conversation bogged down in an endless loop, constantly examining the same rotting pile of bovine excrement.

 

[The Man]

It’s a standard “fringe reset” tactic to drudge up old issues. This has the benefit of potentially ensnaring people new to the discussion while retarding all efforts at advancing the discussion. It keeps the conversation bogged down in an endless loop, constantly examining the same rotting pile of bovine excrement.

Right, just like the 'current loops' of an equal charge distributed "H atom's orbitsphere". Without at least some change in charge distribution over time there is just nothing to loop, endlessly or otherwise.

 

[jrhowell]

Remarkable how markie keeps trying to make Mills seem like a hero when the evidence so clearly says otherwise.

It seems that he credulously takes Mills' boasting at face value. For example from June 29:

I wasn’t wandering. I solved all the fundamental problems of physics and chemistry, identified and isolated dark matter, produced the greatest power source that man has ever seen, designed and developed advanced power systems, invented the next generation of energetics, the replacement of flight, and more. What’s it been, over 100 years for quantum physicists fumbling in the dark and making science darker, the opposite of enlightenment? And how many billions of taxpayers' money was wasted?

 

[markie]

It's probably in his self-published book.

Somewhat analogous to Newton's Principia, although Mills himself would be too modest to say so.

From Wiki

The French mathematical physicist Alexis Clairaut assessed it in 1747: "The famous book of Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy marked the epoch of a great revolution in physics. The method followed by its illustrious author Sir Newton ... spread the light of mathematics on a science which up to then had remained in the darkness of conjectures and hypotheses."[7]