Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

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And to think David Cameron called the Brexit referendum mainly to avoid civil war in the Tory party. Oh the irony....

Bring on Labour, at least they have an ounce of sense.
 
ceptimus said:
Nonsense. Do you honestly believe that their are not some EU countries that are net recipients? I know this as a fact, and any reasonably educated person would know the same.

Asking for 'backup with numbers' for such non contentious facts is just a form of diversion. It would take less time for anyone unaware of the facts to Google EU net recipients than it would to quibble and bicker in this thread.
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That didn't take long.

The assertion was that some countries are paid to be members. That's a long walk from some countries receiving benefits in excess of their contributions because of collectively agreed social programs.

If those policies changed and those countries received no benefits, they would not have a valid claim to say "where is our membership money you owe us."
 
Delphic Oracle said:
That didn't take long.

The assertion was that some countries are paid to be members. That's a long walk from some countries receiving benefits in excess of their contributions because of collectively agreed social programs.

If those policies changed and those countries received no benefits, they would not have a valid claim to say "where is our membership money you owe us."
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Drivel.
 
Strawberry said:
And to think David Cameron called the Brexit referendum mainly to avoid civil war in the Tory party. Oh the irony....

Bring on Labour, at least they have an ounce of sense.
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I say this as someone who was a member for close to 25 years....

Evidence ?

IMO the Labour party position is just as confused, just as conflicted and just as contradictory.
 
Greebo said:
Yeah, it won't be a problem.

All you need to negotiate is to be calm, it won't be too difficult. The two preceding claims were made by Mr Davis
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Well now if the negotiations end up badly for the UK he can claim that they would have gone fine if only he's stayed in charge of them but unfortunately Theresa May put him in an impossible position and he had to resign. :rolleyes:
 
As someone pointed out on twitter, DD will be surprised when the pay and benefits of ministerial office are no longer reflected on his payslip
 
He told the BBC that he was no longer the best person to deliver the PM's Brexit plan as he did not "believe" in it.

He said the "career-ending" decision was because he felt the UK was "giving away too much and too easily".
 
I realise that some people like ceptimus genuinely believe that it will be possible to have a "good" Brexit whereby control over borders and reclamation of sovereignty can either be achieved whilst improving the UK's economic position or at least that the costs in doing so will be justified. I do not share that view.

Now should be the time for the largest opposition party to point out the hideous flaws in the government's position but unfortunately the Labour Party position on Brexit is equally laughable. For sure the SNP and LibDems can push their position but they lack the parliamentary muscle in Westminster to be anything other than a sideshow.
 
Filippo Lippi said:
As someone pointed out on twitter, DD will be surprised when the pay and benefits of ministerial office are no longer reflected on his payslip
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"Hello payroll? Yes I'm afraid there's been some sort of mistake - I haven't been paid."

"Yes I know I resigned from the cabinet but, why would that mean I don't get the same benefits as being in the cabinet?"
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Double D has resigned. Anyone still think this deal is going to get through the necessary hurdles?
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Well he finally managed to resign on his what 6th try? Still whatever number it is, relatively speaking it's quite a competent achievement for a member of this government.

Of course the problem with him resigning was that it brought all the Brexiters on to breakfast TV this morning. I could really do without seeing Peter Bone or that Tim Whatshisname from Weatherspoons while I'm eating my breakfast, it quite put me off my food.
 
Looks like Rees-Moog is jockeying for position:

Jacob Rees-Mogg has revealed he will oppose Theresa May's 'misfounded' Cabinet agreement, as he hit out at the PM in the wake of David Davis's resignation.

The influential backbencher, who leads a 60-strong group of Tory Brexiteers, also warned that other Eurosceptic MPs will follow suit in refusing to support Mrs May.
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May has come up with a plan, which may or may not be accepted, but which does meet everything offered on the Brexit ballot paper. If leavers are complaining that they no longer want to be a part of the 51.something% who voted to leave in this way they should get behind a second vote.

My prediction however is that the EU will reject the UK's offer and we will be heading for a hard Brexit. At which point the leavers who are happy with this deal will be the ones complaining and yet again there will be a majority of the population unhappy with the outcome.
 
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