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Cont: Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday pt 2

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CapelDodger said:
As I understand it, the Mueller team can only finalise the prosecution case after they've examined the data. When the final prosecution case is presented to the defence it'll reference what's relevant.
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At that point, yes. Most definitely.

They are a long way from trial.
 
theprestige said:
I think there are plenty of good reasons that we all, Donald Trump included, have to distrust the intelligence community
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Such as? What seems to me, is it isnt the intelligence community isn't trustworthy, but our leaders. IE: W and Cheney manipulating the situation in Iraq for example.
 
theprestige said:
I think there are plenty of good reasons that we all, Donald Trump included, have to distrust the intelligence community
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Trump, being a lifelong sleazy scofflaw, certainly has reason to fear any competent investigation into his activities. Americans in general should be nervous about the officially-sanctioned assaults on their privacy that were initiated largely by GWB and expanded through Obama, but that's not exactly the same thing.

Overall, at this point I'd trust the US intelligence community before I'd trust the White House or Fox.
 
eerok said:
Trump, being a lifelong sleazy scofflaw, certainly has reason to fear any competent investigation into his activities. Americans in general should be nervous about the officially-sanctioned assaults on their privacy that were initiated largely by GWB and expanded through Obama, but that's not exactly the same thing.

Overall, at this point I'd trust the US intelligence community before I'd trust the White House or Fox.
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Amen. Fox News has become some American version of Pravda. It's embarrassing.
 
eerok said:
Trump, being a lifelong sleazy scofflaw, certainly has reason to fear any competent investigation into his activities. Americans in general should be nervous about the officially-sanctioned assaults on their privacy that were initiated largely by GWB and expanded through Obama, but that's not exactly the same thing.

Overall, at this point I'd trust the US intelligence community before I'd trust the White House or Fox.
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Who in the deep state opposed a Bush-era power grab for the executive branch? Certainly not James Comey and Robert Mueller, two of the most corrupt swamp creatures alive. They're just upset that Trump's anti-corruption project will net them.
 
Cain said:
Who in the deep state opposed a Bush-era power grab for the executive branch? Certainly not James Comey and Robert Mueller, two of the most corrupt swamp creatures alive. They're just upset that Trump's anti-corruption project will net them.
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:thumbsup: I wonder how many will catch what you did there.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

"Wow! The NSA has deleted 685 million phone calls and text messages. Privacy violations? They blame technical irregularities. Such a disgrace. The Witch Hunt continues!"
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...the ****? The "witch hunt" comment at the end is completely out of context.
 
Cain said:
Who in the deep state opposed a Bush-era power grab for the executive branch? Certainly not James Comey and Robert Mueller, two of the most corrupt swamp creatures alive. They're just upset that Trump's anti-corruption project will net them.
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Actually, Comey did. He helped block a Bush move to get the AG Ashcroft to reverse a domestic intelligence ruling while he was in the ICU.

In March 2004, the Justice Department under Ashcroft ruled that the Stellar Wind domestic intelligence program was illegal. The day after the ruling, Ashcroft became critically ill with acute pancreatitis. President Bush sent his White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and Chief of Staff Andrew Card Jr. to Ashcroft's hospital bed. They wanted him to sign a document reversing the Justice Department's ruling. The semi-conscious Ashcroft refused to sign; Acting Attorney General James Comey and Jack Goldsmith, head of the Office of Legal Counsel for DOJ, were there to back him up.[18]
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Later Bush changed Ashcroft out for Gonzales who made a better lap dog.
 
acbytesla said:
Why not? What did they ask for specifically? How do you as a defense attorney know precisely what the prosecution was looking for? Very likely, it is organized by people and dates and that is it.


Searchable in what way? No, it's highly likely it's a database or a .csv file which you have to put into a database. Which is easily searchable. If you know what you are looking for. That's the problem. Now, add the difficulty of American lawyers deciphering Russian. Not an easy task.
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I'm a software development engineer. If this stuff is media data that could entail many formats - I would say the least likely would be csv imo. If it were from a database, I don't think it would be beyond the bounds of reason that the FBI are capable of taking a database dump and loading it into their own DB instance whether it be Oracle, MySql, SQL Server etc, I'd say it was unlikely it would be asked to be transferred in csv format - that would be crazy, not impossible but why do it that way when you can get a copy of their whole database (I guess their could be some issues regarding the database schema design itself being proprietary - so only allowed to take the data, not the database?).

Anyway, even csv files are amenable to plain text keyword searches. I would think the team would be looking for some specific things. If there were csv files from a database they would be per Db table, it wouldn't take long to work out the basic DB schema, or even load them into a spreadsheet. Searching for specific Russian words in html, xml, csv, asp, txt, xsl, word, even from a large dump of files is not difficult or too time consuming to get a handle into the data.

Other file types that are binary would require software to read them, unless they are encrypted or zipped where presumably they would return to the source to get them into a readable format. But the file type can easily be determined and the relevant application found to read them in two ticks.

IMO you wouldn't even have to translate all the files that contain textual information. You search for the Russian keywords you are interested in and translate the hits.

I think this whole question about dumping large amounts of data is a distraction. Presumably if going through all that information is a difficult time consuming job, it's the same problem for both prosecution and defense anyway.
 
BadBoy said:
I'm a software development engineer. If this stuff is media data that could entail many formats - I would say the least likely would be csv imo. If it were from a database, I don't think it would be beyond the bounds of reason that the FBI are capable of taking a database dump and loading it into their own DB instance whether it be Oracle, MySql, SQL Server etc, I'd say it was unlikely it would be asked to be transferred in csv format - that would be crazy, not impossible but why do it that way when you can get a copy of their whole database (I guess their could be some issues regarding the database schema design itself being proprietary - so only allowed to take the data, not the database?).

Anyway, even csv files are amenable to plain text keyword searches. I would think the team would be looking for some specific things. If there were csv files from a database they would be per Db table, it wouldn't take long to work out the basic DB schema, or even load them into a spreadsheet. Searching for specific Russian words in html, xml, csv, asp, txt, xsl, word, even from a large dump of files is not difficult or too time consuming to get a handle into the data.

Other file types that are binary would require software to read them, unless they are encrypted or zipped where presumably they would return to the source to get them into a readable format. But the file type can easily be determined and the relevant application found to read them in two ticks.

IMO you wouldn't even have to translate all the files that contain textual information. You search for the Russian keywords you are interested in and translate the hits.

I think this whole question about dumping large amounts of data is a distraction. Presumably if going through all that information is a difficult time consuming job, it's the same problem for both prosecution and defense anyway.
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All good info. I agree, its highly unlikely to be a .csv file. Nevertheless its about following a trail. And the prosecution probably knew what it was looking for. One clue begets another clue and so on until the puzzle is clear. It's a giant jigsaw puzzle with a lot of pieces.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Yet another thing you are wrong about. A pathetic attempt at a tu quoque.
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Wow. Way to miss the point.

It's not a tu quoque because he's not suggesting that it's a bad thing. Are you not familiar with the expression "to have occasion to"?
 
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