Trump immigrant family separation policy

Democrats should start a bill that will put all children of illegal immigrants in the foster care of gay couples.
That should get Republicans to come around.
 
phiwum said:
That's very surprising to me.
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It’s not surprising. She’s spineless. She’s also lying; the Democrat-sponsored bill is very narrowly focused on stopping Trump’s policy of taking children away from their families.

Anyone who supports this monstrous policy and still claims to be about “family values” is a hypocrite of the first order.
 
sts60 said:
It’s not surprising. She’s spineless. She’s also lying; the Democrat-sponsored bill is very narrowly focused on stopping Trump’s policy of taking children away from their families.

Anyone who supports this monstrous policy and still claims to be about “family values” is a hypocrite of the first order.
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Only real families of course. Proper white christian heterosexual ones.
 
logger said:
DHS secretary said 10,000 out of 12,000 came here alone or with strangers.
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83% of children came to America alone or with strangers? Do you actually believe that, or is it obvious even to you that those numbers are beyond implausible?


There is simply no limit to the lies this administration will tell in the pursuit of pure evil.
 
There are reports that some parents are being returned to their origin countries WITHOUT their children. Why would we want to keep these children? Isn't the point to get rid of these "undesirables"? One of the common arguments against the illegal immigrants is that they are using our taxpayer-funded resources - schools, medical care, etc. What are these kids doing RIGHT NOW? How much resources is going into imprisoning them in compounds hither and yon?

And where are the girls and babies? #WhereAreTheGirls
 
"We finally have a decent number of polls testing support for the Trump administration’s policy of separating parents from their children at the border. As of early Tuesday, four pollsters — CBS News, CNN, Quinnipiac and IPSOS — had released surveys; they found that about two-thirds of the American public oppose the policy, on average."
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/separating-families-at-the-border-is-really-unpopular/

About half of Republicans support it.
 
sylvan8798 said:
There are reports that some parents are being returned to their origin countries WITHOUT their children. Why would we want to keep these children?
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There are two possibilities:
  1. The Trump administration is planning something nefarious.
  2. The bureaucracy around this is so poorly thought out that they simply don't have a way to reunite the families before the parents get deported.

I'm inclined to think the latter, but I honestly can't discount the possibility of the former.
 
Upchurch said:
There are two possibilities:
  1. The Trump administration is planning something nefarious.
  2. The bureaucracy around this is so poorly thought out that they simply don't have a way to reunite the families before the parents get deported.

I'm inclined to think the latter, but I honestly can't discount the possibility of the former.
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Soylent Brown?
 
eeyore1954 said:
Am I wrong or do families that come to the border to seek asylum not get separated but those got caught coming across the border do?
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It's a catch 22. The ones that try to come through a port of entry and request asylum cannot get in. Often they are prevented from reaching US territory and those that do get that far are told to wait, then are never let in to be processed.


BTW, how come all these people are getting caught once they come in illegally? Could it be no wall is going to stop them?
 
Upchurch said:
There are two possibilities:

  1. The Trump administration is planning something nefarious.
  2. The bureaucracy around this is so poorly thought out that they simply don't have a way to reunite the families before the parents get deported.



I'm inclined to think the latter, but I honestly can't discount the possibility of the former.
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Or: Those reports are unsubstantiated and it’s not actually happening. Not saying it couldn’t but I don’t think we need to introduce stuff that may be an exaggeration or false. That iconic-but-misrepresented photo of the kid crying through the bars of a cage didn’t help anything.


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xjx388 said:
Or: Those reports are unsubstantiated and it’s not actually happening. Not saying it couldn’t but I don’t think we need to introduce stuff that may be an exaggeration or false. That iconic-but-misrepresented photo of the kid crying through the bars of a cage didn’t help anything.


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How about the accurate photos of the kids huddling under foil blankets in a former walmart with chain link fences separating them into pens?

https://www.thecut.com/2018/06/inside-ursula-border-patrol-center-family-separation.html

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family-separation-and-zero-tolerance-at-the-border

But never let real facts get in the way, only facts that have the Trump seal from the Trump Ministry Of Truth.

It is like the photos of the prison bus full of infant car seats. The dispute isn't over if the photo is real, but if you can call it a prison buss when it is going to a concentration camp/detention center not a formal prison.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/prison-bus-for-babies/
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
It's a catch 22. The ones that try to come through a port of entry and request asylum cannot get in. Often they are prevented from reaching US territory and those that do get that far are told to wait, then are never let in to be processed.


BTW, how come all these people are getting caught once they come in illegally? Could it be no wall is going to stop them?
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Many of them are not really being "caught". They get to the border, try to get in and apply for asylum in the legal way, find that the offices are full or closed, cross the border illegally, then immediately go looking for a CPB officer to turn themselves in to and try to apply for asylum that way...
 
xjx388 said:
Or: Those reports are unsubstantiated and it’s not actually happening. Not saying it couldn’t but I don’t think we need to introduce stuff that may be an exaggeration or false. That iconic-but-misrepresented photo of the kid crying through the bars of a cage didn’t help anything.
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Well, we can cross that off the list of possibilities.

Immigrant families separated at border struggle to find each other
In Trump’s efficient U.S. family separation system, reunions take far longer
 
Random said:
Many of them are not really being "caught". They get to the border, try to get in and apply for asylum in the legal way, find that the offices are full or closed, cross the border illegally, then immediately go looking for a CPB officer to turn themselves in to and try to apply for asylum that way...
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That is what they get for thinking america has any mercy for them. They need to be punished for that.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Part of maturity is accepting that the world will throw inequities at you. But empathy and understanding is supposed to lead us to greater discipline and humanity. Yes, doing the right thing is not a deterrent. The solution isn't to do the wrong thing like what is threatening you.

There was a time in my life where I thought the solution was to be hard. That solving my problems was to strip myself of my empathy and inhibition. I was teenager. To see that thinking in adults and elders is pitiful.
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I have often disagreed with you on things, often quite vigorously, but not this time. Well put. In fact, I think perhaps I'll nominate it.
 
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