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The Trump Presidency VII

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Coulter's whining for attention, her book sales are down.

I'm not saying the Infowars/neoNazi/lockherup idiots are going to dump Trump. I'm saying the outrage over this is moving the rest of the country against Trump.
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Is it though? His popularity seems pretty stabil.
 
logger said:
I’m sure your side will use this as much as it can. Because this is what the demorats are best at. Dishonest tactics like these to confuse, get people fired up. They have no agenda anyone wants to be part of just fear and chaos is what the demorat party is all about. I can’t wait till you start using these kids to further the left agenda.

This country is on to your sides tactics.
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And your side is full of mean spirited jerks. The Dems have an agenda. You have constantly joked about destroying it. Things like prosperity, education, science, equality, compassion, tolerance, humanity, democracy.

Don't worry. We will. Most people have compassion for others. They have feelings. Even some Christians do. And these terrorist tactics will not play well.
 
acbytesla said:
And your side is full of mean spirited jerks. The Dems have an agenda. You have constantly joked about destroying it. Things like prosperity, education, science, equality, compassion, tolerance, humanity, democracy.

Don't worry. We will. Most people have compassion for others. They have feelings. Even some Christians do. And these terrorist tactics will not play well.
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They seem to be playing ok. Has it hurt his approval ratings yet?
 
acbytesla said:
And your side is full of mean spirited jerks. The Dems have an agenda. You have constantly joked about destroying it. Things like prosperity, education, science, equality, compassion, tolerance, humanity, democracy.

Don't worry. We will. Most people have compassion for others. They have feelings. Even some Christians do. And these terrorist tactics will not play well.
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Even if this is true, President Trump and the GOP are carefully constructing a narrative which will temper people's natural compassion with a fear of brown people pouring across an open Southern border and destroying America.

All Hispanics are members of MS-13 (or at least potential members) and should be both reviled and feared. :rolleyes:
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Coulter's whining for attention, her book sales are down.

I'm not saying the Infowars/neoNazi/lockherup idiots are going to dump Trump. I'm saying the outrage over this is moving the rest of the country against Trump.
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But the people who voted for him, and supported him up until now won't have been getting their news from anywhere other than Fox. So they'll still be doing the same now, and Fox says that it's a summer camp and that the kids are actors.

The only thing that's really going to make Trump's supporters change their minds is when his economic policies make them lose their jobs and/or health cover.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
But the people who voted for him, and supported him up until now won't have been getting their news from anywhere other than Fox. So they'll still be doing the same now, and Fox says that it's a summer camp and that the kids are actors.

The only thing that's really going to make Trump's supporters change their minds is when his economic policies make them lose their jobs and/or health cover.
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But that would be Obama's fault, surely.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Is it though? His popularity seems pretty stabil.
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Registered GOP voters ~25%, last data I saw. Even if 100% of those supported Trump that's still only 25%.

I think we need to be careful interpreting Trump's popularity.


Trump is giving a speech right now that is filled with racism against Mexico and Central America.

Now he's going on bitching about Canada and trade.

With both of those Trump is using alt-facts.
 
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Cleon said:
Neither was Hitler in 1933.
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No, Hitler was Hitler in 1933. He spelled out what he wanted to do in Mein Kampf which he wrote during prison years earlier. I have read many translations of Hitler's speeches going back to the early twenties. His hatred of Jewish people was boiling then. There is no doubt that there are similarities, but Trump as evil as he is is not Hitler. He is using many of the same propaganda tactics that Hitler and Goebbels seem to perfect.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Registered GOP voters ~25%, last data I saw. Even if 100% of those supported Trump that's still only 25%.

I think we need to be careful interpreting Trump's popularity.


Trump is giving a speech right now that is filled with racism against Mexico and Central America.
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His approval rating is 45% and rising according to Gallup's polling - yes I know it's not a highly rated poll but it's the only one I know which continually tracks by party affiliation.

There are a lot of independents who also like President Trump and if he can convince independents that he is protecting them against a foreign menace then I can see his popularity rising.
 
If it was ok to claim that Obama was turning the country into a version of Communist Russia, it is ok to say that Trump is on his way to turn the US into Nazi Germany.
 
The Don said:
His approval rating is 45% and rising according to Gallup's polling - yes I know it's not a highly rated poll but it's the only one I know which continually tracks by party affiliation.

There are a lot of independents who also like President Trump and if he can convince independents that he is protecting them against a foreign menace then I can see his popularity rising.
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You always tout this poll when it goes up but you never mention when it goes down. Which it does.

Trump's approval rating is about the same as it's been for a year. Roughly 40% approval. Everyone is already set in their views. People who disapprove have seen enough crap a long time ago, and people who support him have determined to make up excuses for anything he does.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
If it was ok to claim that Obama was turning the country into a version of Communist Russia, it is ok to say that Trump is on his way to turn the US into Nazi Germany.
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What, just because Trump is using race-baiting as a strategy to garner support, has begun confining children to the equivalent of "concentration camps", has constantly attacked the press, has talked about modifying laws that will limit free speech, tried to expand voter supression, gave a pardon to Arpio (despite the fact that he had a long history of human rights abuses), openly quoted Muosolini, and has praised neo-nazis as "fine people" does not mean that Trump should be seen as anything but a 100% patriotic American who believes in democracy and really cares for all its citizens.

ETA: Besides, there is a world of difference between Trump and Hitler. Hitler actually served in the military for one.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Registered GOP voters ~25%, last data I saw. Even if 100% of those supported Trump that's still only 25%.
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But being against this policy and being against Trump are not the same thing. His popularity seems to be solidly 40%.
Trump is giving a speech right now that is filled with racism against Mexico and Central America.
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Hitting up all the favorites of his voters that got him where he is.

Is this actually hurting his approval rating?
 
ponderingturtle said:
But being against this policy and being against Trump are not the same thing. His popularity seems to be solidly 40%.


Hitting up all the favorites of his voters that got him where he is.

Is this actually hurting his approval rating?
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No, it's not. The only way to get rid of him is for the Democrats to increase their voter base and get people who don't normally vote to go to the ballot. They need to do this while fighting tooth and nail against all GOP attempts to rig the election by throwing people off the voter rolls and gerrymandering the districts. You guys have one chance at this. There are more good people in the US than Trumpists, but the Trumpists get to make the rules right now.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Re: Trump and a racist speech...
Hitting up all the favorites of his voters that got him where he is.
Is this actually hurting his approval rating?
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It does not appear to be hurting his approval rating. But, on the other hand, it may be limiting it from growing.

To win an election you need to 1) bring in at least a few moderates/undecided, and/or 2) keep people from voting for the opposing side. Trump managed to sucker in a few people in the last election who thought "this guy will be good", who now think differently. And he is certainly galvanizing the opposition, to ensure fewer people will just stay home. (He's giving people a reason to come out and vote against him.)

So, Trump is stuck. He's got his racist base/core, but now that most people see how incompetent he is and how blatant his racism is (i.e. he didn't "pivot to the center" and start "acting presidential" like he claimed he was going to) and that he might actually attack some programs people actually like, he won't have much opportunity to build on that base.
 
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