Trump immigrant family separation policy

rwguinn said:
I'll have to check the source again, but I read one article (from CNN I believe) where the interviewed individual statd that as soon as they are separated from their parent(s), they are reclassified as "Unacompanied children".
Self-eating watermelon, indeed
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The claim was that 5 out of 6 presented to the border with unrelated adults.
 
The claim I heard on NPR was that there has been a substantial increase in attempted illegal border crossings and claims of asylum with children. In fact, an industry has arose in other countries to assist those to take advantage of these laws. The increase in children present in these incidences can easily be attributed to the softer, humane policies imposed only when children are present. The purpose of the Trump policy is to deter using children as bargaining chips to gain entry into the US.

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theprestige said:
Moral of the story: Don't try to smuggle your family across the border.

You know what families don't get separated? The ones immigrating legally.
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But some have been told they can't enter and claim asylum, because we're just too busy for that.

It used to be that asylum seekers would be recognized even if they crossed illegally. Ain't so any more. Is that due to Democrats? Or the administration?
 
ServiceSoon said:
The claim I heard on NPR was that there has been a substantial increase in attempted illegal border crossings and claims of asylum with children. In fact, an industry has arose in other countries to assist those to take advantage of these laws. The increase in children present in these incidences can easily be attributed to the softer, humane policies imposed only when children are present. The purpose of the Trump policy is to deter using children as bargaining chips to gain entry into the US.
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And it is dumb.
 
theprestige said:
First and foremost, the parents who committed themselves and their children to this process.
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Were the parents given a choice when they were detained? "Go back this minute and we'll pretend we didn't see you here. If you stay we will take your children from you and you might never see them again."

That some parents would opt for the latter doesn't make it okay.
 
gregthehammer said:
In an ideal world, yes, all imigration would be legal. However, we have to deal with the messy reality that families are crossing our borders illegally. So what do we do? I'd prefer to show a bit of compassion, and at least keep these family units together, regardless if they are ultimately sent back or are allowed to stay. To separate these kids from their parents strikes me as sadistic.
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Well said.
 
Quick question: Have any of the current US administration or Border Force actually told these "illegal immigrants" BEFORE they crossed that (a) their action was illegal, and (b) they will lose their children? Any fore-warning? Do they know these people don't have cable tuned to Fox News or even get newspapers?

Because if they have not, these people are not being deterred by these developments in the slightest because they simply do not know this is happening. They are walking over a cliff in the dark they don't know is there.

If people-smugglers and money are involved, odds are VERY high they won't say a damn thing to their "clients", or try to hush it up if they do hear rumours. They don't give a rats if the kids get separated or not, as long as they get their cash.

Meanwhile, illegal workers, those who are trying to work for a living under the radar in the USA, will not be bringing children. They want to avoid all this fuss and just melt into the background. So bringing children is now the worst way to attract attention.

And what about the honest-to-goodness refugees? When they are on the trek from Central America, they won't even have immigration papers let alone TV with Fox News bleating their Trumpian bulletins. So they present themselves for help at the US border...and get the full Sophie's Choice treatment. Nice...
 
Norman Alexander said:
Quick question: Have any of the current US administration or Border Force actually told these "illegal immigrants" BEFORE they crossed that (a) their action was illegal, and (b) they will lose their children? Any fore-warning? Do they know these people don't have cable tuned to Fox News or even get newspapers?

Because if they have not, these people are not being deterred by these developments in the slightest because they simply do not know this is happening. They are walking over a cliff in the dark they don't know is there.

If people-smugglers and money are involved, odds are VERY high they won't say a damn thing to their "clients", or try to hush it up if they do hear rumours. They don't give a rats if the kids get separated or not, as long as they get their cash.

Meanwhile, illegal workers, those who are trying to work for a living under the radar in the USA, will not be bringing children. They want to avoid all this fuss and just melt into the background. So bringing children is now the worst way to attract attention.

And what about the honest-to-goodness refugees? When they are on the trek from Central America, they won't even have immigration papers let alone TV with Fox News bleating their Trumpian bulletins. So they present themselves for help at the US border...and get the full Sophie's Choice treatment. Nice...
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It is a connected world.
 
theprestige said:
First and foremost, the parents who committed themselves and their children to this process.
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How convenient your morality is!

If Trump's mommy made him eat oatmeal three meals a day, that would be abuse. If my mom did because my old man walked out on us and she had three kids to feed, it was not; it was survival.
 
In the other thread, someone suggested a GREAT alternative to family separation: Each criminal alien unlawfully entering should (humanely) have one of their feet amputated. Have fun trying to re-enter.
 
Finally getting some air time that none of these people showing up at ports of entry are being allowed onto US territory and none that do get across the line are being allowed to be processed. They are lined up by the entry if they get past the guards keeping them off US soil.

Also Lawrence O'Donnell made a plea to Melanie to go comfort one crying child as one immigrant to another. He also pointed out Melanie never did give that press conference. We all know she worked while only having a tourist visa.
 
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