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The Trump Presidency VII

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acbytesla said:
I just finished binge watching the John Adams miniseries having read David McCullough's biography years ago and now in the middle of The Federalist Papers, which I last looked at in College.. When you read the words of Adams, Jefferson, Madison and Hamilton you stand in awe of these great and imperfect men. When I read anything Trump has written or said, I weep at what is to become of this great union.
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Oh, hell, I miss the erudition of George W. Bush these days.
 
Craig4 said:
If enough of the electorate sees Trump as less than human they won't vote for him. If he feels hated, mocked, humiliated he may even decide he no longer wants to be president. Either outcome is a positive for the country.
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Ok it seems if you just add wishful thinking, there is a possibility that something good can come of it.
 
Elagabalus said:
Me too ... (sigh) ... good ole' Chimpy McFlightsuit. *** looks at ground and kicks rock***. Those were the days, eh?
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At the time, we all thought that the US had gone as low as it could with its selection of Presidents

Now we know better...

(a truly horrifying thought, we are now thinking that trumpff is as low as the US could go- what will be in charge in 2033?????)
 
acbytesla said:
In my entire life, I have NEVER referred to a President or even another human being as I have with Trump.

But that is because I have never encountered such a disrespectful, deceitful human being much less a President. From the first day of his campaign, he has carried himself as simply despicable. The idea that this man entirely devoid of integrity, honor or compassion could be the President of the United States is sickening.

My country and its laws while never perfect has been reasonably honorable, but with Trump it is sadly gone.
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I agree with all of that and have no qualms with the way you just expressed it.

When you add names and insults, it detracts, rather than adds, to the very valid points you may be trying to make.

But That's Just Me!™ ;)
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
I agree with all of that and have no qualms with the way you just expressed it.

When you add names and insults, it detracts, rather than adds, to the very valid points you may be trying to make.

But That's Just Me!™ ;)
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Believe me, I get it. I wish we could follow Roberts Rules of order and have respectful debates. And that was what other Germans thought when dealing with Adolf.

And yet his way is winning. I remember what George S Patton said about talking to his troops. 'He gave it to them loud and dirty so the point was made'.
 
acbytesla said:
Believe me, I get it. I wish we could follow Roberts Rules of order and have respectful debates. And that was what other Germans thought when dealing with Adolf.

And yet his way is winning. I remember what George S Patton said about talking to his troops. 'He gave it to them loud and dirty so the point was made'.
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But Trump and his supporters are so polite and willing to listen to reason.......
 
acbytesla said:
I bet you never thought that would happen.
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No kidding.

When H.W. was in office, I didn't think I'd miss his erudition. Then came his son. And now this.

To be fair, I have some respect for H.W. and even for W, at least in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, if not for the Iraq thing (or Katrina). But neither of them were eloquent. W was justifiably mocked by Doonesbury for his inability to string together a sentence.

But, boy howdy, he was friggin' Byron compared to our current articulator in chief. W knew what a sentence was -- he'd seen them before -- but it's a mystery to this putz.
 
Craig4 said:
I have very little hope of it happening. The opposition to Trump still labors under the illusion that the moral high ground has value.
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You're damned right that the moral high ground matters.

Sorry to hear that you're willing to forego principles for winning.
 
phiwum said:
Oh, hell, I miss the erudition of George W. Bush these days.
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I don't.

I mean, he's preferable to the open white supremacism and overt hostility to our allies that Toupee Fiasco does, but I can very easily think of a president who was far superior than either one. In fact, he was in office for the 8 years between the two...
 
phiwum said:
You're damned right that the moral high ground matters.
Sorry to hear that you're willing to forego principles for winning.
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One of the first things I said about Trump in these threads was that one of the biggest dangers he poses was having his example of civility becoming more pervasive in society in much the same way as his bigotry has emboldened bigots.

You don't need to take the moral highground as a means of beating Trump, you have to take it to avoid him beating you.
 
phiwum said:
Oh, hell, I miss the erudition of George W. Bush these days.
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The rage against GWB was one of the most misguided in history and, in no small part, paved the way for Trump.

A rather substantial criticism against GWB was made up you see. Unilateralism? No, even in Iraq he had the majority of G7 and the majority of NATO behind him. Perpetual war? No, he stopped after one, two if you count Afghanistan. Dodging draft for Vietnam? No, he served in a minor role, after the war already ended. Saying stupid things? Most were lifted from Walter Mondale, not something said by GWB. This is not to say there weren't ample and justified criticisms of GWB in those fields, on the contrary, but most were considerably exaggarated.

Now apply these to Trump, who just ditched the G7 allies for North Korea of all places, got out of serving in Vietnam due to a life-threatning bone growth in one or both of his feet (he can't remember) and whose idea of great wisdom looks like this:

Robert De Niro, a very Low IQ individual, has received too many shots to the head by real boxers in movies. I watched him last night and truly believe he may be “punch-drunk.” I guess he doesn’t realize the economy is the best it’s ever been with employment being at an all time high, and many companies pouring back into our country. Wake up Punchy!

Posted on his twitter account about five minutes before this post. I didn't even have to dig up anything old.

Having spent those lines of attack against GWB, what are you left with?

McHrozni
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Speaking of hypocrisy, some who criticize Trump for calling gang members “animals”, then go on to include diatribes like the above when referring to him.
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It is almost as if referring to a race of people with an insult vs an individual makes a difference. Shocking!!
 
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