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JFK Conspiracy Theories VII: Late November back in '63...

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manifesto said:
Photographs and Xerox copies of documents can’t be conclusively identified by analysing alleged handwriting.

Therefore the original is needed. Was it available to the hand writing experts consulted?
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What does all of the evidence in the Warren Commission Report say about it?

Well, that is the issue presently under consideration. Do you have any new evidence you would like to provide or are you just waiting time and space, aserting religionsly contrived dogma?
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You ;) claim it wasn't paid. Should be easy for you ;) to show where the bank refused to honor it.

How do you know?
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What does the consilience of evidence in the Warren Commission Report say about it?

I’ll take it you know this by actually studying the alleged evidence?
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Are you ;) claiming something about the evidence? You ;) will need to provide evidence.
 
manifesto said:
Fortunatly, this is not how it works. It’s the positive claim, that he purchased and owned the rifle that needs supporting evidence.
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Yes, you ;) claimed he didn't own his rifle so now you ;) have to provide evidence of that. Are you ;) retracting your claim?
 
HSienzant said:
Yes
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Good. Settled.

Next question is, what does this mean considering the authenticity of the Hidell PMO.

You are claiming that, since that word ”should” isn’t mandatory in a legal/judiciary sense, the absence of the regulated bank stamps on the Hidell PMO is NOT evidence of a forgery, correct?
 
manifesto said:
But you do agree that the federal regulations states that PMO’s ’should’ be stamped with bank endorsements on both sides in a prominent way?

Yes or no.
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Yes, I agree that it "should" (that is what the regulations state) but it doesn't have to be. The Oswald/Hidell PMO was simply among the many that wasn't. In any case, there is plenty of other evidence that proves beyond any doubt whatsoever that the Oswald/Hidell money order was banked and cleared...

1. Stamped with Klein's endorsement stamp.
2. Banked by Klein's on March 13.
3. Processed through the First National Bank bank of Chicago's batch processing system.
4. Sent to the Federal Reserve who stamped it with their file locator number
5. Found by the FBI after a lengthy search

What else is it going to take for you to accept that this was not forged, it was a genuine postal money order.
 
HSienzant said:
Larsen in that thread you or MicahJava linked to a few pages back.
You in this thread.

Hank
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Lol. Cite the parts where he ”pretends” that the regulation is proof of a forgery.

After this, do the same with my writing in this thread.
 
manifesto said:
Good. Settled.

Next question is, what does this mean considering the authenticity of the Hidell PMO.

You are claiming that, since that word ”should” isn’t mandatory in a legal/judiciary sense, the absence of the regulated bank stamps on the Hidell PMO is NOT evidence of a forgery, correct?
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Of course the absence of the optional bank stamps doesn't indicate a forgery. I'm claiming that you've presented no evidence to date that there is anything wrong with the money order whatsoever, despite your arguments going back at least ten pages on this forum.

Hank
 
HSienzant said:
On the contrary, you and he are pretending 'should' means 'required' or 'must' but it doesn't. It means 'recommended but optional'.
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manifesto said:
Where do Larsen ”pretend” this?
Show us.
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HSienzant said:
Larsen in that thread you or MicahJava linked to a few pages back. You in this thread.
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manifesto said:
Lol. Cite the parts where he ”pretends” that the regulation is proof of a forgery.

After this, do the same with my writing in this thread.
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Straw man argument. You're changing the claim I made.

Hank
 
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manifesto said:
Photographs and Xerox copies of documents can’t be conclusively identified by analysing alleged handwriting.

Therefore the original is needed. Was it available to the hand writing experts consulted?


Well, that is the issue presently under consideration. Do you have any new evidence you would like to provide or are you just waiting time and space, aserting religionsly contrived dogma?

How do you know?

I’ll take it you know this by actually studying the alleged evidence?
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Hank answered the first question.
As to the second, I rely on evidence not the bare assertions you throw out on a daily basis.
As to the third, of course not that evidence is stored away, but the ballistics evidence is available, all you have to do is search for it, so don't ask me to do your research by providing a citation. I sure if you searched any one these threads, you could find it/them.
 
manifesto said:
No, I claim that Oswald did not own the rifle.
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? What? Was he simply renting it? That claim gets you nowhere and still puts the rifle in LHO's hands. On top, you have precisely **** all evidence for such a claim.

You seem to be entirely innocent of how you self represent on the internet. Sure, AAH may exist on this particular site, but the also exists sites like the web archive, a site which I am a paid member of. Why would I pay to be a member of such a site? Easy. Folks like your try to pretend that they did not post what they posted. They simply do not get off the conspiratorial hook so easily. As they should not.
 
abaddon said:
? What? Was he simply renting it? That claim gets you nowhere and still puts the rifle in LHO's hands. On top, you have precisely **** all evidence for such a claim.
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He neither rented, borrowed or owned it. He did not shoot at JFK or Tippit and he was not part in a conspiracy to do that.

He was innocent.

You seem to be entirely innocent of how you self represent on the internet. Sure, AAH may exist on this particular site, but the also exists sites like the web archive, a site which I am a paid member of. Why would I pay to be a member of such a site? Easy. Folks like your try to pretend that they did not post what they posted. They simply do not get off the conspiratorial hook so easily. As they should not.
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What? Is this some kind of threat?
 
HSienzant said:
Of course the absence of the optional bank stamps doesn't indicate a forgery. I'm claiming that you've presented no evidence to date that there is anything wrong with the money order whatsoever, despite your arguments going back at least ten pages on this forum.

Hank
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I have been trying to establish that the federal regulations in 1963 stated that there should be bank endorsement stamps on PMO’s, stamps absent on the Hidell PMO.

This has taken a very long time, but is at last settled and agreed upon.

Next step is, as I said, to see what this means regarding the authenticity of said Hidell PMO and I haven’t even started to argue this in any way.

I guess that your earlier conflation of these two separate issues and your present preempting of arguments you believe I will present is somewhat signs of anguish?

What is it that scare you with this Hidell PMO, Hank? Are we threading on dangerous ground threatening to collapse your decades long carefully constructed cognitive castle protecting you from Reality coming crushing in on all sides destroying your little kingdom of Faith?

Why ’should’ bank endorsement stamps be present on both sides of the PMO? Why this ”suggestion/advise/recommendation” in the federal regulations?

Do you know?
 
manifesto said:
I have been trying to establish that the federal regulations in 1963 stated that there should be bank endorsement stamps on PMO’s, stamps absent on the Hidell PMO. This has taken a very long time, but is at last settled and agreed upon.
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You agree then that bank stamps are optional and their absence doesn't mean anything?

Or are you pretending still they must be present?

Hank
 
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