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Brexit: Now What? Part IV

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If only David Davis was in charge, eh?

...reminiscences of Davis’s time in the SAS (territorial). A couple of his former brothers-in-arms got in touch with memories of TA 21-SAS (V). I had two favourite anecdotes. The first was when Davis was required to coordinate an ambush, and opted to position his men on either side of the road so that – had the exercise been real – the soldiers would have opened fire on each other. The Sun Tzu of DExEU, there. The second story saw Davis charged with managing an “escape and evasion” mission. “It was supposed to last five days,” recalled one of his men. “But he accidentally led us through a choke point – a kind of bottleneck where trackers always wait – and got us captured inside 36 hours. So we were put in a truck, blindfolded, driven around, and dropped at night on an undisclosed remote hill to start all over again.”

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"As thick as mince, as vain as Narcissus and as lazy as a toad"

Hard to argue with that assessment by one of his supposed allies, Dominic Cummings.
Speaking of Cummings, did he ever get around to trolling Parliament? I understand MP's were due to discuss his refusal to appear before the committee on fake news, and that Cummings was going to sit in the public gallery with a "Where's the £350 million for the NHS" banner.

And speaking of persons refusing to appear before a committee, I see Arron Banks has joined that list.

I wonder why. I mean, looking at how Alexander Nix pretty much used his appearance - along with the parliamentary privilege it provided - to slander the Cambridge Analytica whistleblower, while not really answering any questions, what's the harm?
 
Ceptimus - do you have any view on how a no deal Brexit will work as far as our supply chains given that the Freight Transport Association have pointed out that

“But the real show stopper is that, under European law, unless an agreement is reached, there will only be 103 international haulage Permits to cover the 300,000 journeys made by British trucks to Europe each year. The logistics industry is being asked to decide who would get a Permit to Drive if there are not enough to go around – in effect, being asked to destroy the businesses of its international haulage members.”

And there will also have to be similar issues with EU drivers in the UK.
 
Ceptimus - do you have any view on how a no deal Brexit will work as far as our supply chains given that the Freight Transport Association have pointed out that



And there will also have to be similar issues with EU drivers in the UK.

I am sure we have hundreds if not thousands of civil servants and the like working on all these contingency plans, employing the staff required, getting up to speed with the new IT systems (presumably the leases and IT procurement and delivery have all been completed quite some time ago), working with the larger companies and organisations and advice sent to smaller ones so if "Brexit means Brexit" happens on 29 March 2019 there will be as little suprise or chaos as possible.

There is no way any competent government wouldn't be undertaking such contingency planning and organising.
 
It's just remain supporters thinking up problems. They'd have you believe that life outside the EU is near impossible. But a moment's rational thought shows how stupid that idea is - look at all the perfectly normal and successful countries that are NOT in the EU and ask yourself how they manage all the things that remain supporters think only the EU can do.
 
Good news on the brexit front. The Irish are bunch of whining losers so who cares if Guinness plc gets delayed a bit at our big beautiful new border wall. Yes the economy is going tits up, we won't get the deal we promised everyone but no need to panic some of us rich kids will come out of this laughing. What a nice man that Mr Trump is. Bojo


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ident-david-davis-will-stay-in-job-no-10-says

Johnson’s views were laid bare in the secret recording in which he criticised the significance the Irish border issue has taken on in the negotiations with Brussels.

“It’s so small and there are so few firms that actually use that border regularly, it’s just beyond belief that we’re allowing the tail to wag the dog in this way. We’re allowing the whole of our agenda to be dictated by this folly,” he said.


Yeah, because if we have a “soft” border with the Irish republic and a “hard” border elsewhere, nobody would dream of moving their trading operations to the Irish border.
 
It's just remain supporters thinking up problems. They'd have you believe that life outside the EU is near impossible. But a moment's rational thought shows how stupid that idea is - look at all the perfectly normal and successful countries that are NOT in the EU and ask yourself how they manage all the things that remain supporters think only the EU can do.

That might all be 100% accurate however how do we get from where we are now to there? THis government doesn't even seem to have drawn up plans never mind all the implementation work that is required.

When will that work start?
 
It's just remain supporters thinking up problems. They'd have you believe that life outside the EU is near impossible. But a moment's rational thought shows how stupid that idea is - look at all the perfectly normal and successful countries that are NOT in the EU and ask yourself how they manage all the things that remain supporters think only the EU can do.

The difference is the diesntanglement is the issue. Much of our supermarket logistics chains rely on the single market and shipping goods from Rotterdam.

It isn't remain supporters "thinking up problems" - it is the trade body of the main logistics providers in the UK pointing out that a no-deal Brexit would cause major problems - and almost certainly lead to a lot of firms having to cease trading due to the default assignment of 103 international haulage permits to the UK.

They have been pointing out what needs to be done for some time. As have lots of industries and the problem.

Meanwhile we have seen what David Davis considers "Excruciating detail" for the 58 sectoral impact assessments. I don't know what field you work in - but I had a look at the Electronics one and the Agriculture one because I work in one of those fields, and Dad and a lot of his friends (as well as my brother and his wife) work or worked for the Ministry of Agriculture or its equivalent.

They were 15 pages and had less rigorous assessment than I would do for a small project of a couple of million pounds. The agriculture one contained the revelation that our food supply depends on imports, which whilst true wasn't exactly that surprising (except, perhaps to Davis). I could get better information from ten minutes on Wikipedia. You probably could too.
 
It's just remain supporters thinking up problems. They'd have you believe that life outside the EU is near impossible. But a moment's rational thought shows how stupid that idea is - look at all the perfectly normal and successful countries that are NOT in the EU and ask yourself how they manage all the things that remain supporters think only the EU can do.

These countries have never been members of the EU to start with. This means they have built their internal rules and administrations over time in order to be able to cope with that situation.

Leaving the EU is a totally different story. Only on the customs rules enforcement a significant part of UK inbound and outbound trade is not subject to customs controls. This will not be true anymore in case of a hard Brexit. Do the HRMC already have the material and human means to address this?
 
It isn't remain supporters "thinking up problems" - it is the trade body of the main logistics providers in the UK pointing out that a no-deal Brexit would cause major problems.


Instead of moaning and trying to postpone or water down Bexit, they should get their finger out and start working on solutions to those problems. If they think their businesses might go bust you would think that would give them ample incentive to start working on new arrangements.
 
Instead of moaning and trying to postpone or water down Bexit, they should get their finger out and start working on solutions to those problems. If they think their businesses might go bust you would think that would give them ample incentive to start working on new arrangements.

Trying to postpone or water down Brexit is a solution to that problem.

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Instead of moaning and trying to postpone or water down Bexit, they should get their finger out and start working on solutions to those problems. If they think their businesses might go bust you would think that would give them ample incentive to start working on new arrangements.

How do you work out solutions to problems that can't be quantified?

The government needs to lay out a plan first.

They aren't doing a very good job about it.

And by not a very good job, I mean a really, really **** job.
 
Instead of moaning and trying to postpone or water down Bexit, they should get their finger out and start working on solutions to those problems. If they think their businesses might go bust you would think that would give them ample incentive to start working on new arrangements.


How can the Freight Transport Association prepare for the vast majority of its members losing access to the EU?

That is what a no-deal Brexit would lead to at the moment - 103 international haulage permits wouldn't go very far amongst the 200,000 lorries that its members run.

They are trying to fix the problem - the FTA is telling the government the regulatory consequences of no deal.

What else are they supposed to do?
 
How can the Freight Transport Association prepare for the vast majority of its members losing access to the EU?

That is what a no-deal Brexit would lead to at the moment - 103 international haulage permits wouldn't go very far amongst the 200,000 lorries that its members run.

They are trying to fix the problem - the FTA is telling the government the regulatory consequences of no deal.

What else are they supposed to do?
They should prepare to do whatever freight transport associations in non-EU countries already do. It shouldn't be that difficult. They could perhaps visit a non-EU country, speak to the equivalent FTA there and perhaps even prepare to copy their operating procedures when the time comes.
 
They should prepare to do whatever freight transport associations in non-EU countries already do. It shouldn't be that difficult. They could perhaps visit a non-EU country, speak to the equivalent FTA there and perhaps even prepare to copy their operating procedures when the time comes.

It's hard to believe you're serious about this.

"Meanwhile, the number of documents being restricted is going “well beyond” those containing sensitive details of the government’s EU negotiations. Even basic planning and guidance documents are kept locked away, largely inaccessible to civil service teams that need to see them.

A security clearance backlog has also meant that some officials have waited up to nine months to gain access to the material they need."


What chance in hell do mere companies have when even the higher levels of the civil service don't know what's going on? How can haulage companies and farmers and all the others even guess at what specific circumstances they'll actually have to face in the end?
 
TIt shouldn't be that difficult.

You seems to know much better than the sector professionals how to solve this issue. You should sell them your services as a consultant.

Although I believe you would probably be fired before the end of your first week as advisor.
 
There's no need to panic. During the transition phase things will continue to operate as presently. Exactly what is needed after that depends on the outcome of the trade negotiations - and we won't know that outcome for a while yet.
 
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