The Trump Presidency VII

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CapelDodger said:
Your point being ...? :cool:
I was actually thinking of the period between Reagan's defeat of Soviet Russia (those were the days, eh?) and Obama giving it all away again. In a certain type of historical view, that is.
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You see, I don't think those two events happened. The Soviet Union wasn't defeated by the United States and Ronald Reagan. It fell under the crushing weight of 50 years of terrible oppressive policies. I'm not trying to take anything away from Reagan but that narrative is pure nonsense. As is the idea that Obama gave it away. Post Soviet breakup was more a criminal endeavor which made huge fortunes out of whole cloth.
 
acbytesla said:
You see, I don't think those two events happened.
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Of course they didn't.

acbytesla said:
The Soviet Union wasn't defeated by the United States and Ronald Reagan. It fell under the crushing weight of 50 years of terrible oppressive policies. I'm not trying to take anything away from Reagan but that narrative is pure nonsense.
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Sure, Reagan had a contribution to make, but the USSR fell because it clung to failed actual left failed policies for too long. Some here accuse all and sundry of being "leftists" simply for disagreeing. I can only conclude that they are sufficiently youthful to not actually realise the madness of real world leftism. After all, Marx was a bourgoise louche who had Engels actually write his books while also having Engels defraud his family business to fund Marx's odd lifestyle.

acbytesla said:
As is the idea that Obama gave it away.
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IMO, Obama tried to get post dissolution Russia back into the international fold. He failed because...
acbytesla said:
Post Soviet breakup was more a criminal endeavor which made huge fortunes out of whole cloth.
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...of that.
 
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zorro99 said:
Trump commutes sentence of Kim Kardashian’s friend.

Trump pardons celebrities
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For some reason it reminds me of when Amon Goeth was convinced by Schindler that having the power to Pardon is where the real power is.

But actually, I think Trump likes to Pardon people because it's something he can actually do that is easy for him. Unlike trying to get new laws like reforming (reverting?) national health care through whichever houses it has to get through, and actually doing real politics. He gets to have his picture taken again with a famous person too,

I also think he would have given a crap about this lady he just pardoned if it hadn't been for a shapely and eye lash quivering C lister flashing her nice bits about.

No idea if she is a Trump supporter. But if she isn't, and just used her assets to manipulate that idiot then all power to her IMO.
 
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BadBoy said:
For some reason it reminds me of when Amon Goeth was convinced by Schindler that having the power to Pardon is where the real power is.

But actually, I think Trump likes to Pardon people because it's something he can actually do that is easy for him. Unlike trying to get new laws like reforming (reverting?) national health care through whichever houses it has to get through, and actually doing real politics. He gets to have his picture taken again with a famous person too,

I also think he would have given a crap about this lady he just pardoned if it hadn't been for a shapely and eye lash quivering C lister flashing her nice bits about.

No idea if she is a Trump supporter. But if she isn't, and just used her assets to manipulate that idiot then all power to her IMO.
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If Trump really liked pardoning people, why has he issued so few?
 
zorro99 said:
The democrats will impeach Trump after retaking the House.
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I read someplace they have to be careful there. If they tried to impeach and failed it would give Trump and the GOP a mandate to continue to do more real stupid stuff.

If they impeach they have to make sure it sticks.
 
acbytesla said:
If Trump really liked pardoning people, why has he issued so few?
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Well, that set a torch to that theory then. :p

(I guess it seemed like it with recent Dinesh D'Souza, and talk about Pardoning himself etc. Perhaps my Schindler reference was more to the mark, after all in the end he couldn't bring himself to actually continue doing it)
 
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Trump tweets ahead of the meeting

"Please tell Prime Minister Trudeau and President Macron that they are charging the U.S. massive tariffs and create non-monetary barriers. The EU trade surplus with the U.S. is $151 Billion, and Canada keeps our farmers and others out. Look forward to seeing them tomorrow."

"Prime Minister Trudeau is being so indignant, bringing up the relationship that the U.S. and Canada had over the many years and all sorts of other things...but he doesn’t bring up the fact that they charge us up to 300% on dairy — hurting our Farmers, killing our Agriculture!"
 
acbytesla said:
Also, it depends on the political environment at the time. I can imagine a scenario next year where the GOP might want to get rid of him more than the Democrats. Imagine a blue wave come November. Trump not only has tiny fingers, but tiny coattails. He could be toxic and the party might hope that a sane Pence slows down an even bigger disaster in 2020.
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He could revert to being a Democrat - favoring universal health care, "working with" illegal immigrants, favoring a modest curtailment of gun rights. There is that side in him as well.

I'm not expecting that to happen, but in the past he has signaled support for all of these. In the past, he has also disavowed support from the KKK.
 
Minoosh said:
He could revert to being a Democrat - favoring universal health care, "working with" illegal immigrants, favoring a modest curtailment of gun rights. There is that side in him as well.

I'm not expecting that to happen, but in the past he has signaled support for all of these. In the past, he has also disavowed support from the KKK.
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Trump is a strange bird. What he would do with a hostile Congress is anybody's guess. Clinton made the best of it. Trump trying to get along seems doubtful, but he is the most unpredictable human being. Its not like Trump really has any values but himself.
 
BadBoy said:
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No idea if she is a Trump supporter. But if she isn't, and just used her assets to manipulate that idiot then all power to her IMO.
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She is married to Kanye West. That should tell you something.
 
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BadBoy said:
Well, that set a torch to that theory then. :p

(I guess it seemed like it with recent Dinesh D'Souza, and talk about Pardoning himself etc. Perhaps my Schindler reference was more to the mark, after all in the end he couldn't bring himself to actually continue doing it)
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In all fairness to Trump on this, very few pardons or clemency has been issued by Presidents since Carter. And they tend to issue almost none in the fist year. Obama actually issued very few pardons as President. But he did commute more sentences than any President in history.

They got really stingy in the 80s. Reagan was very stingy and Bush Sr was worse. He won the Presidency on strict laws and a war on crime. He was way behind Dukakis in the polls and ran the Willie Horton ad day and night. Tagged Dukakis with being soft on cime and that made every politician 'tough on crime' .
 
acbytesla said:
If Trump really liked pardoning people, why has he issued so few?
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He has issued more pardons early in his presidency than other modern presidents.

I think pardons and clemency appeal to his sense of power.
 
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Of course that wouldn’t be applied to any other president. :rolleyes:
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He's a shallow bastard, pardoning celebrities and granting clemency to a celebrity-endorsed convict[1]. He doesn't bother with the usual review process.

You may disagree, but yeah, I think that the power of a presidential pardon appeals to him. It's the closest to the power of a king.

[1] Not saying she didn't deserve clemency, but she wouldn't have gotten it without the intervention of a reality TV star.
 
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