Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

[bknight]

Yes, one reason, no doubt, that the advisory "should" was used instead of the mandatory "shall" or "must."

And, of course, even if CTs could establish some deviation from required endorsing practice--and they can't--this would prove nothing more than a deviation from standard practice, not a forgery. They would still have an undischarged burden--the argumentative equivalent of an unpaid money order.

It seems to me even IF all of the regulations were not strictly adhered to and I'm not suggesting they were/n't, the money order was paid, therefore this is a fool's errand.

 

[traxy]

It seems to me even IF all of the regulations were not strictly adhered to and I'm not suggesting they were/n't, the money order was paid, therefore this is a fool's errand.

Exactly. What CTers need to prove this point is to randomly sample a thousand Kleins money orders from 1963 and check for the stamps they claim are missing. If the Oswald money order is the only outlier, then you might have evidence for something. If half of their money orders are missing that stamp, then obviously the missing stamp doesn't mean squat.

 

[manifesto]

No, not that day. We know it now.

Lol. How do you know it was fired that day, Hank? 22 nov 1963.

The ”ballistic items”? Without a chain of custody or with clearly fabricated chains of custody?

If you found a suspect murder weapon an hour after the murder, wouldn’t you have been curious to see if it had NOT been fired an hour ago?

Just a little bit?

 

[Axxman300]

Your knowledge of the case is so outdated, you are probably the real one using 33-year-old memory

The evidence and the facts have not changed since 11/22/1963. The BS in CT-Land is constantly changing with each new failure.

You argue that an entry wound in the parietal bone survive intact after removing the shattered skull bone fragments and some additional sawing.

This is what the pathologists testified to repeatedly. It happened.

Some brain removal procedures can indeed happen where the occipital bone remains intact and careful maneuvering of the brain can allow it to be fit through the front. But in those cases, not only is a lot of frontal bone separated, but enough of the left side of the skull to fit your fingers under both temporal lobes of the brain.

They. Sawed.The.Skullcap. Off.

We know from the best and earliest evidence that the autopsy pathologists officially concluded the single head trajectory was anatomically upwards.

Because the head was at an angle when it was struck by the Carcano.

Which means that if you believe the entry wound in the autopsy report was actually 4-5 inches above the EOP, then you must also believe that not a lot of frontal bone was removed, otherwise you'd have to explain the beveled exit notch on the open-cranium photographs.

No. This is your failed interpretation based on your staggering lack of ballistics knowledge.

And also the open-cranium photographs shows a lot of the left side of the skull intact.

You mean the one that also show that the skullcap was sawed off? Those photographs? Fail.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Lol. How do you know it was fired that day, Hank? 22 nov 1963.

You really know nothing about the assassination, do you ? Are there any CTs that you know of who might have some knowledge?

 

[manifesto]

Exactly. What CTers need to prove this point is to randomly sample a thousand Kleins money orders from 1963 and check for the stamps they claim are missing. If the Oswald money order is the only outlier, then you might have evidence for something. If half of their money orders are missing that stamp, then obviously the missing stamp doesn't mean squat.

There are people searching for such items this very moment in time. Problem is, money orders where saved for two years and then destroyed.

Hard to find, apparently.

Luckily we have the FEDERAL REGULATIONS stating that bank endorsment stamps had to be present on both sides, without exception.

Had to = if to be guaranteed reimbursement.

 

[manifesto]

You really know nothing about the assassination, do you ? Are there any CTs that you know of who might have some knowledge?

Do you ever sleep, RoboTimbo?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Do you ever sleep, RoboTimbo?

Do you ever tell the truth, manifesto ?

 

[carlitos]

There are people searching for such items this very moment in time. Problem is, money orders where saved for two years and then destroyed.

Hard to find, apparently.

Luckily we have the FEDERAL REGULATIONS stating that bank endorsment stamps had to be present on both sides, without exception.

Had to = if to be guaranteed reimbursement.

When you post nonsense like this, it just displays your ignorance of the real world. Did you ever write a check? Counter-sign one? Post a money order? There are thousand ways you could get it wrong per the FEDERAL REGULATIONS and still get your money.

Please name the people who are looking for Kleins Sporting Goods money orders at this time. I'd like to ask them a few questions.

 

[manifesto]

Do you ever tell the truth, manifesto ?

Always. And I do sleep well. You neither tell the truth or sleep, RoboTimbo. Could this be connected in any way?

Stop lying = sleep better?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Cite ONE thing I have made up, Hans.

Here is your latest lie:

Luckily we have the FEDERAL REGULATIONS stating that bank endorsment stamps had to be present on both sides, without exception.

I'm glad you asked to be kept up to date with your lies. A bit of a "fish in a barrel" problem, though.

 

[Axxman300]

He said it with a frustrated sigh, not as you are trying to imply, triumphantly. Oswald was an undercover agent, probably working for the CIA.

There is no description of how Oswald said what he said. That's you're interpretation.

After leaving TSBD he went to the Texas Theater to a rendezvous with a cut out for his handler, for information/instructions on how to act following the assassination of JFK.

This is based on your vast knowledge of CIA field operations. Considering that he wasn't planning on going to the theater, he was headed to the Greyhound Bus depot when he got sidetracked by killing Tippit.

Movie theathers was/is classic anonymous meetingplaces for spooks, and Oswald was seen sitting down next to multiple single patrons, rise and sit down next to another one, and so on, as if looking for someone
he did not know or recognized = cut out

You didn't have a conversation in a movie theater in 1963.

Real CIA operatives have their escape and evasion planned out well in advance because if things go wrong the last thing you want to do it meet up so the cops can arrest everyone. So no, Oswald wasn't meeting anyone at the theater.

He also had a couple of very odd items on him (do not remember exactly what at the moment), also a classic way to identify one another.

Maybe he was going to meet up with his Cuban handler at the Mexican border.

The list of the ca 20 patrons/witnesses present at the theather was conveniently ”lost” by the DPD shortly after the arrest, never to be seen again. The few testimonies on record slipped through in spite of this.

Doesn't matter.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Always. And I do sleep well.

Cite. Argue. Explaln.

Cite ONE thing I have made up, Hans.

Here's your latest lie:

You neither tell the truth or sleep, RoboTimbo.

It's a full-time job tabulating them. How do you keep track?

 

[bknight]

Lol. How do you know it was fired that day, Hank? 22 nov 1963.

The ”ballistic items”? Without a chain of custody or with clearly fabricated chains of custody?

If you found a suspect murder weapon an hour after the murder, wouldn’t you have been curious to see if it had NOT been fired an hour ago?

Just a little bit?

Cite where any/all chain of custody was not performed correctly, then verify and discuss.

I ask you this same question months ago and you have yet to provide any evidence. I'm shocked, really shocked

 

[RoboTimbo]

There are people searching for such items this very moment in time. Problem is, money orders where saved for two years and then destroyed.

Hard to find, apparently.

Luckily we have the FEDERAL REGULATIONS stating that bank endorsment stamps had to be present on both sides, without exception.

Had to = if to be guaranteed reimbursement.

Remember the three things that give you nightmares: null hypothesis, consilience, burden of proof.

 

[Axxman300]

Oswald's rendezvous at the theater (whether or not he was hiding from the Police or if he had a handgun) is evidenced not only by the witness statements about Oswald traveling between the theater seats next to people as if looking for a signal from some expected contact, but by the "half/torn dollar bill" evidence.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/22/2288-001.gif

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pages/WH_Vol22_0105a.jpg

It's simple. If he was to meet someone at the theater he WOULD HAVE BOUGHT A TICKET. If he was planning to go to the theater HE WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE CAB THERE FROM THE TSBD FIRST.

His actions in the theater are those of a guilty man positioning himself close to an exit. He never spoke to anyone in the theater.

 

[Axxman300]

Lt. Day from DPD’s crime lab examined the rifle for fingerprints etc, on the scene at the TSBD 6th floor.

He did not check it to see if it had NOT been fired that day. An index finger to the pipe and chamber was too sophisticated to perform?

Wow.

Why would he waste his time? He was a cop, not a CTist.

 

[bknight]

There are people searching for such items this very moment in time. Problem is, money orders where saved for two years and then destroyed.

Hard to find, apparently.

Luckily we have the FEDERAL REGULATIONS stating that bank endorsment stamps had to be present on both sides, without exception.

Had to = if to be guaranteed reimbursement.

Do you enjoy joisting with windmills?

 

[manifesto]

When you post nonsense like this, it just displays your ignorance of the real world. Did you ever write a check?

What has this to do with documents of clearly stated federal regulations, cited and sourced?

Counter-sign one? Post a money order? There are thousand ways you could get it wrong per the FEDERAL REGULATIONS and still get your money.

One step at the time, carlitos. First settle the question of the regulations and if there is room for exceptions.

The answer is that the regulations stated that bank endorsement stamps should be present on both sides on the money order and that without exceptions.

If you disagree you have to present proof of the contrary.

Please name the people who are looking for Kleins Sporting Goods money orders at this time. I'd like to ask them a few questions.

I know that people around John Armstrong have been looking a long time for such, without success and that some of them still did it last time I checked.

They have also interviewd a couple of old timer bankers and they are confirming the conclusions reached upon by among others, Sandy Larsen in the Ed.Forum-thread I’m sourcing in this thread.

Could it be that this Hidell-MO slipped through by mistake? I guess, yes. Everything is possible, but this is just the beginning of the problems with the alleged purchase. Nothing is correct, everything is wrong.

One step at a time. Nice and easy.

 

[Axxman300]

Lol. How do you know it was fired that day, Hank? 22 nov 1963.

The dead President of the United States would be your first clue

But who knows, maybe Oswald was shooting pigeons that morning, and the bullets just orbited the Plaza for a few hours, and tragically hit the President by accident.

The ”ballistic items”? Without a chain of custody or with clearly fabricated chains of custody?

Why do you care about the chain of evidence as it related to the rifle, but not the dictablets?

If you found a suspect murder weapon an hour after the murder, wouldn’t you have been curious to see if it had NOT been fired an hour ago?

There is no way to test a firearm to see when it was fired. Not now with all our technology, and certainly not in 1963. You fail