ponderingturtle
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Well a deal maybe, but in a year it won't matter anymore.
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Well a deal maybe, but in a year it won't matter anymore.
In some ways agreeing a deal with a N-S border is actually the easiest option, as it is a black and white position, as opposed to the varying shades of grey for everything else. However you then have to renegotiate the GFA, which will not be easy.
Only if you actually think through the consequences carefully. There's little evidence that people do that to any great extent. In any case, Leave voters were assured by the Leave campaign that the border could remain.
All of them require a large amount of fudge, which seems to be in short supply in Dublin at the moment.
ponderingturtle
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I agree, but what are the alternatives ?
- NI staying in the customs union and EEA. Hard border in the Irish Sea
- Hard Brexit and collapse of the GFA
I expect that the Conservatives to choose the latter.
Exactly they can blame the EU for that. Avoiding blame for the situation is far more useful that avoiding a horrible situation through tough compromises.
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But they were not dumb enough to believe that, like people taking Trump literally instead of seriously about things.
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In the sense of easiest option opposed by almost everybody except some significantly right wing NI unionists.
Lothian
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Francesca R
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(Rule of) so you think a thumping majority of folks would lift their lamp beside the golden door?
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I think we have room for them, it is good for the UK that people want to come here to help the productivity of the country.
We just need to spend the income they provide on infrastructure rather than tax cuts for those who don't need it [/leftwingrant]
Most folks probably don't understand the economics so give an emotional xenophobic answer.
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BBC News: Brexit: May and Davis 'agree customs backstop wording'
"The UK's proposed "backstop" plan for trade with the EU after Brexit has been published after an "expected" end date - of 2021 - was included in it.
It followed crunch meetings between Prime Minister Theresa May and Brexit Secretary David Davis, who insisted a cut-off date be included.
The proposal would see the UK match EU trade tariffs temporarily in order to avoid a hard Irish border post-Brexit.
Brexiteers want to ensure the backstop could not continue indefinitely.
Responding on Twitter, EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier set out the criteria on which he would judge the UK's proposal, including the need for a "workable solution" to avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland."
So, basically, kicking the can down the road.
"The UK's proposed "backstop" plan for trade with the EU after Brexit has been published after an "expected" end date - of 2021 - was included in it.
It followed crunch meetings between Prime Minister Theresa May and Brexit Secretary David Davis, who insisted a cut-off date be included.
The proposal would see the UK match EU trade tariffs temporarily in order to avoid a hard Irish border post-Brexit.
Brexiteers want to ensure the backstop could not continue indefinitely.
Responding on Twitter, EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier set out the criteria on which he would judge the UK's proposal, including the need for a "workable solution" to avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland."
So, basically, kicking the can down the road.
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Francesca R
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That's why referendums are such a great idea.
Probably we should have one about whether it's OK to put up a load of cameras and police/military/excise checkpoints from Londonderry round to Armagh
Francesca R
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Absolutely. That's why there has to be a
Anything less would be a sell out of the British people's will.
News just in is that the Brexit star-chamber / war-council / inner-inner-core-cabinet is working on what might be the wording of the post-brexit-post-transition-period-post-backstop additional WeHaven'tLeftYet period.
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They are again talking about EU tarriff matching. That is not what it is.
It says
This will mean applying the EU’s common external tariff (CET) at the UK’s external border, alongside the Union Customs Code (UCC).
In other words we are remaining in the Customs union.
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Damn, another 3 years of
Francesca R
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I just adjusted the forward date on my purchase of plastic crate futures which is my hedge against being canned from the City.
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Hold on the UCC doesn't apply to services. The city could still close next year.
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Probably. Then Angel Islington will maybe again become the first coaching inn stop on the way north out of Londinium.
I guess Virgin Stagecoach could apply for the franchise again. As long as they don't let you out there.
I guess Virgin Stagecoach could apply for the franchise again. As long as they don't let you out there.
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I don't think the above is accurate at all. I don't think the voting public were made aware, sufficiently, of the complex interactions between states.
I also think a non-binding referendum doesn't grant a mandate.
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The UK government could indeed say that a great big border is needed between NI and the Republic because the definition of brexit is a six letter word that starts with b. Sure.
The only issue with that is with the number of elected MPs who actually want to (Mr McCausland referenced above isn't a UK MP, or an MLA one since last year)
The only issue with that is with the number of elected MPs who actually want to (Mr McCausland referenced above isn't a UK MP, or an MLA one since last year)
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