This is a non-sequitur... how does manifesto's training in identifying, taking, and handling have anything to do with his statement? His statement is either worthwhile or it is challenged... What are you challenging about his comment?
Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge
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That is a fair comment...
But not found by the FBI HQ crime lab the night of the shooting?
By whom and why was it not photographed where it was ”found”?
Why are you leaving out the fact that neither Fraizer or his sister could positively identify the bag as the one Oswald had carried that morning? That they did not recognize all the tape all over it? That it was way to big/long? That Oswalds bag looked like an ordinary grocery bag? That Oswald had carried the bag in a way that excluded it from having contained a broken down Carcano rifle?
Why leaving out all this? I thought you had no agenda except the truth?
According to Lt. Day yes. Who taped it before photographing it and forgot that he had done so a whole week before remembering it and refusing to sign the affidavit telling the tale.
Name them. Not a single witness could identify Oswald as the man in the window.
Lol. Brennan was taken under treatment by the DPD/FBI and soon understood what was expected of him.
People who met him after this treatment said he looked like an old and frightened man.
I said it was no latent prints = no fresh prints = easy to plant.
HSienzant
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There is no contradiction between the two memoes. If you believe that, reproduce them here and let's discuss.
Hank
Ouch! So the original bag was submitted as evidence to the WC... duly noted.
I do not understand.
If the original bag was still around, why didn't the WC just slip the rifle into the bag to see if it fits and that the oils match?
Don't be so quick to say that... Why was a replica bag made and not the original presented? I can't see where staining would take away from a form, fit or function of the bag?
Thanks for the clarification.
HSienzant
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It was determined to have been fired that day by the six pieces of ballistic evidence linked to it.
What is the name of the test that should have been performed to determine if it was fired that day? A citation to any criminology book will do.
What's it called?
Hank
smartcooky
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I have no opinion because I haven't actually sighted a copy of the 1963 regulation (if in fact, regulations dated as such even exist)
However, I am well versed in the English language, so I do know with absolute certainty that "SHOULD" does not mean "MUST". From my own experience in business, I have seen numerous examples of financial instruments such as cheques, money orders, traveller's cheques and bank transfers that have NOT been endorsed or stamped by a bank despite the fact that they have been banked and the funds have been deposited into my account.
In fact, it you think about it (and idiots like Sandy Larsen obviously have not) is easy to understand why that might be. Why are money orders endorsed with a bank stamp in the first place? The answer is, that it is a confirmation that the person who is presenting the money order, is the person to whom the money order is addressed, i.e. the payee. When a person presents a money order for cashing (at a bank or a post office) or for banking into their own bank account (at a bank), they present the money order to a teller. The teller will ask the person for some form of identification (driver's licence, ID card) to show that they are the payee. When the teller is satisfied with their identification, they will stamp the money order, and that acts as an endorsement.
However, when a company or business is presenting the money order, it is likely to be just one among many being banked at the same time. Klein's Sporting Goods was a very big company that had been around since before WWII, and they didn't just sell guns. they dealt in sports equipment across the whole range of sports, leisure and pastimes; racquet & bat sports, ball sports, golfing equipment, fishing tackle, sports and hunting apparel, even musical instruments! They were a business that advertised in dozens of magazines and newspapers across the whole of the USA. A business that large is going to be banking hundreds of cheques, money orders, and charge card slips (as well as a large amount of cash) every day. They would have used a courier, or an armoured car service (or perhaps an employee) to deliver their cash and document bags to the bank for banking. Did the courier driver or the driver of the armoured car or his shotgun, have to wait while the teller individually hand-stamped hundreds of money orders and cheques? Of course not, and why? Because these financial instruments were already endorsed by the payee, and this was indicated by their stamp on the back of the instrument, in this case....
PAY TO THE ORDER OF
THE FIRST NATIONAL BANK OF CHICAGO
59-91144
KLEIN'S SPORTING GOODS, INC.
THE FIRST NATIONAL BANK OF CHICAGO
59-91144
KLEIN'S SPORTING GOODS, INC.
... was all the endorsement that the bank (and ultimately, the Fed) needed to verify the identity of the payee. The reference number will be either an authorisation number for Klein's, or the last seven digits of their bank account number at that bank (my endorsement stamp had the last seven digits of my account number at the branch where I bank (plus a two-digit suffix to indicate which sub-account it is to be banked into)
I can therefore reasonably conclude that the Klien's endorsement stamp is sufficient proof that the money order was indeed processed.
Now, I don't expect an unreasonable CT such as you accept any of this. As is usual for your type, I expect you will merely handwave this all away. My sole purpose posting this in such detail is to inform the lurkers, and/or those who might be sitting on the fence, and/or those with an ounce of commonsense and who, unlike you, are capable of thinking and reasoning for themselves, and not be told how to think by the JFK-CT loony echo chambers people like you inhabit.
HSienzant
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lol.
That's the best retraction I've ever gotten from a conspiracy theorist.
Hank
PS: It's also the only retraction I've ever gotten from a conspiracy theorist.
bknight
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The statement implies that manifesto knows how fingerprints are obtain and handled, clearly a professional/technical job. I'm asking what his training might be, other than stating nonsense from a CT cite.
Therefore it is very pertinent to his statement.
I see that you have shouldered some of your brother in faith, RoboTimbo’s responsibility, little blue idiot smileys included.
Do you have any idea why the most important alleged murder weapon in the history of the USA, was not checked right away (or later) for signs of having been fired that day?
Irrelevant? Trivial?
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Hans
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Yeah if it had been done perfectly in all aspects and sealed with a kiss Manifesto would say:
'Its too perfect and obviously the CIA with it endless expertise over saw the creation of this fake'.
Yawn.
Denial is just not a bay off Australia.
bknight
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I already answered that and the answer is yes it was fired that day. Try reading the posts.
ETA also read hanks post says about the same as mine.
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No. Your request should be for additional information supporting my claim. Like quoting expertise and/or documents affirming the truth of my claim.
I do not need to be an expert in anything I refere to, that is just silly.
HSienzant
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There are fingerprints on the trigger guard that were photographed there by J.C.Day. Two of those photos were printed in the Warren Commission volumes of evidence.
Here's one.
https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0265a.htm
Hank
smartcooky
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That has not been claimed, and in any case, would be impossible to prove one way or the other
bknight
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bknight
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Then your original post may be completely ignored as it does not meet the requirement of knowledge of the manner in which fingerprints are processed.
You don't get to rule how anyone posts or the questions that they might ask.
When doing my military service we allways had to line up after a shooting session with our cleaned weapons. An officer went from soldier to soldier putting his index finger in the pipe and the chamber for traces of soot = fired weapon.
Are you saying this was done with the Carcano?
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