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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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JayUtah said:
Still waiting for Manifesto to answer me.
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Don’t be silly, conflating a big picture argument with minutiae. I was responding to a sweeping argument stating that it would have been impossible to keep a plot like this a secret for such a long time.

I responded, listing multiple factors in play. If you have any issue with one or more with these factors, state them, but be specific.
 
Manifesto, I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think you know so much inside information about the U.S. intelligence community and about methods, practices, and protocols for operational secrecy in the U.S. government.

Be specific.
 
manifesto said:
Don’t be silly, conflating a big picture argument with minutiae. I was responding to a sweeping argument stating that it would have been impossible to keep a plot like this a secret for such a long time.

I responded, listing multiple factors in play. If you have any issue with one or more with these factors, state them, but be specific.
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Manifesto ;), you've never said which of you ;) is wrong, you ;) or MicahJava. Which is it?

Be specific.
 
JayUtah said:
Have you ever examined a fragmentary human skull in person?
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According to the x-rays the back of the head is almost pristine except for an (new) entrance wound ca 11 cm above the EOP.

Not even the janitor could have positioned it ”slightly above” the EOP. Here we have three senior pathologist, teaching pathology, performing the autopsy of a lifetime and they all got it wrong in a way a little child wouldn’t.

The EOP is as the name indicates a protuberance, a landmark if you like, in the lowest part of the back of the head. ”Slightly above” ≠ opposite side of the back of the head.

The autopsy team came under considerable pressure from the HSCA but they did not change their mind, disputing the new location of the entrance wound suggested by the HSCA medical panel.

A side note. The prominent nutty loner serial plagiarist Gerald Posner lied to Congress when stating that two of the pathologists, Humes and Boswell, had told him they had finally changed their mind regarding the entrance wound and that he would present tape recorded interviews to that fact as soon as time permitted.

When later checking his statement with the two pathologists, they denied being interviewed by him at all and that they had certainly had not changed their mind.

This was more than 20 years ago and needles to say, Posner has still not (to my knowledge) published his ”taped interviews” in support of his contention.

Correct me if I’m wrong.
 
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Manifesto, you ;) have run away from answering the question about why Oswald went on to murder Officer Tippitt after assassinating JFK and then attempting to murder more officers in the theater.

Answer that now if you ;) feel that you've run away for long enough.
 
JayUtah said:
Manifesto, I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think you know so much inside information about the U.S. intelligence community and about methods, practices, and protocols for operational secrecy in the U.S. government.

Be specific.
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Don’t be silly, conflating a big picture argument with minutiae. I was responding to a sweeping argument stating that it would have been impossible to keep a plot like this a secret for such a long time.

I responded, listing multiple factors in play. If you have any issue with one or more with these factors, state them, but be specific.
 
manifesto said:
I responded, listing multiple factors in play.
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I'm asking how you know they were the factors in play. To me they looked like a whole lot of made-up assertions for how the U.S. intelligence community "really" worked, insinuating that it was better knowledge than Hans's. To me they read more like a bad spy novel than like a knowledgeable summary of U.S. intelligence practice. Because of that prima facie implausibility, I'm asking for deeper substantiation.

If you have any issue with one or more with these factors, state them, but be specific.
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Let's start with:

1. The size of the group of the people who would know.
2. The culture of "protect the bureau" at all costs.
3. Unlimited resources available to protect the secret.

Please address all of those, as I have no time to play your "divide and conquer ignore" game. You mentioned these all at once, so you can please lay a foundation for them all at once. It stands to reason your basis for knowing one would also be the basis for knowing the others, so no need to move artificially slowly.

Keep in mind I'm not asking you to defend them. I'm asking the basis of your knowledge for having alleged them as fact -- how do you know this is how it really works.

Be specific.
 
traxy said:
It's a difference of 2 or 3 inches at the most. Not a big deal.
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The "cowlick" entry wound theory has it 4-5 inches above the EOP in the right parietal bone, contrary to what the autopsy pathologists said, which was that it was in the occipital bone slightly above the EOP.
 
manifesto said:
Don’t be silly, conflating a big picture argument with minutiae. I was responding to a sweeping argument stating that it would have been impossible to keep a plot like this a secret for such a long time.

I responded, listing multiple factors in play. If you have any issue with one or more with these factors, state them, but be specific.
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If a person involved in the investigation is made to feel personally responsible for an error in procedure, or paranoid that the assassin might not get a conviction, then some of the framing and cover-up would be a case of a "naturally forming" conspiracy that doesn't necessarily involve one evil entity bossing everybody around and ordering them to be liars for life. Just think of how paranoid some of the authorities may have been in the following HOURS that their "evil communist" accused assassin didn't leave behind enough evidence for a conviction. Evidence could have been fabricated and substituted without even having to be part of the original homicidal conspiracy.
 
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MicahJava said:
If a person involved in the investigation is made to feel personally responsible for an error in procedure, or paranoid that the assassin might not get a conviction, then some of the framing and cover-up would be a case of a "naturally forming" conspiracy that doesn't necessarily involve one evil entity bossing everybody around and ordering them to be liars for life. Just think of how paranoid some of the authorities may have been in the following HOURS that their "evil communist" accused assassin didn't leave behind enough evidence for a conviction.
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:dl:

ETA - When the assassin actually is an evil communist, you don't need the scare quotes.
 
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MicahJava said:
If a person involved in the investigation is made to feel personally responsible for an error in procedure, or paranoid that the assassin might not get a conviction, then some of the framing and cover-up would be a case of a "naturally forming" conspiracy that doesn't necessarily involve one evil entity bossing everybody around and ordering them to be liars for life. Just think of how paranoid some of the authorities may have been in the following HOURS that their "evil communist" accused assassin didn't leave behind enough evidence for a conviction. Evidence could have been fabricated and substituted without even having to be part of the original homicidal conspiracy.
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Citation required for your fantasy.
 
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