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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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JayUtah said:
Indeed; it's pure bluster. And looking back over the past few pages, I would say that Manifesto is probably not the best person to be complaining about the manner of posting.
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Even in the post in question, look at the ad hominem he spews: "intellectual delincuency" [sic] and "your silly personality disorder".

I won't be reporting him but I fear someone might. I hate when that happens because the moderators then typically remove both the offending post and the responses pointing out the problems aside from the ad hominem.

Hank
 
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manifesto said:
Coming from a guy screaming in panic from the inside of a Mighty Church roaring in fire, this is pretty amazing.

The holy denial is strong in this one.
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Still running from the evidence I see and trying desperately to change the subejct

LOL;)
 
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Oh my I see you've never worked in an organization that has planned a large complex event - before computers.

Your ignorance is magnificent. I would ask who these people were but of course you already conceded you know nothing about the subject.

Remember just because you make up something doesn't mean we are obliged to humor your error.
 
manifesto said:
Well, thank you, Hank, for listing it so neatly and orderly. I’ll answer your points one at a time as time permits. No worries.
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Lets keep track of this by day

This is day one

This post will be reposted each day until the questions are answered to H's satisfaction.
 
MicahJava said:
A missile could have struck next to the EOP at z190-224. We have gone over this.
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I asked you to put your heads together (MicahJava and Manifesto) and come up with a UCT - Unified Conspiracy Theory.

When do you intend to do that?

Manifesto, do you agree with MicahJava on a hit to the head sometime prior to Z225? I know of no other conspiracy theorist who argues for this. MicahJava appears to be unique in that argument.

MicahJava, can you cite for the force visible for a shot from behind from the Z-film, as the Zapruder film indicates for a shot hitting the head sometime between Z-312 and Z313? That is, between those two frames, the head of JFK is pushed forward and down by about two - three inches. Is there any similar indication of a shot to the head in the frames you suggest (190 - 224)?

Can you supply any evidence at all of a shot to the head at this time (other than claiming a bunch of people are all liars or mistaken, I mean, or quoting people out of context or from recollections decades after the fact).

That's not evidence in any case. That's just an opinion expressed as a fact that's necessary to keep your argument alive.

Can you convince fellow CT Manifesto of your arguments before you bring them here to be vetted?

Hank
 
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MicahJava said:
The EOP wound information indicates a conspiracy no matter how you interpret it.
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Manifesto contradicts your claim about the bullet not being able to deflect 90%. He says a bullet entering the right temple at approximately a 90% angle to the temple can exit the right rear of the head (of course, to support his contentions, he then cited Sherry Fiester, who claims the shooter was to the left-front of the limousine, not the right side of the limo).

Can you two guys discuss among yourselves for a bit and get back to us with a concession about which one was wrong in their assertion?

I'd ask you to discuss with Sherry Fiester as well, but she's dead. But that removes at least one problem... getting any three conspiracy theorists to agree on anything except 'there was a conspiracy'.

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manifesto said:
- On the knoll behind the white picket fence within a square yard and with a probality of P = 1/100 000 for being random static/noice..
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There it is again - the claim that the dictabelt identifies not only that there was a shot but the exact (within a square yard) position from which it came.

But ....

that means that there must have been FOUR shots from the exact same position of the 6th floor of the SBD, with two of them coming within about 1 second of each other. How could that happen? Where is the weapon capable of firing two shots this close together on the 6th floor of the SBD? Or where is the extra weapon? (note: it can't be two shooters because the position is identified to within a square yard, right? So if it's two shooters they are standing on top of each other)

Now, for those unaware, BBN associates were well aware of this problem. That is why they didn't argue that there had to be 4 shots from the SBD, and they concluded that one of the impulses detected must have been random noise. So much for that 1/100000 probability making it unlikely to be something other than a shot. IOW, the people who did the acoustic analysis don't have a problem acknowledging that false positives can happen.

Manifesto hasn't addressed this. In fact, if you look at the comments provided, he only describes the other 4 shots as coming "from behind." Not from a 1 square yard position, but just in general "from behind." Because there is no way to support two shots from the same position separated by 1.2 seconds, or whatever that gap is.
 
manifesto said:
Your imagination is boiling up to a frenzy, Hans. Ever heard of the phrase ”National Security”? ”Do not embarrass the Bureau”? ”Omerta”? ”Oaths of silence”? ”Compartmentalization and need to know”?

It was a very small number of individuals who knew the whole picture. At the very top of the conspiracy. They knew how to keep their mouths shut.

That said, a lot of people have talked over the years. Lots of people have died suspicious deaths. The cover up is still in operation and have unlimited resources at its disposal. Unlimited.

The JFK assassination is at the very heart of the US National Security State. Its defining event. Unspeakable.
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This is almost exactly what the Apollo Hoax believers post in their juvenile posts concerning Apollo. Seems like this string of unsubstantiated concepts are spread through out CT Land.
As Wolrab posted
That sums it up nicely. Evidence be damned. Who needs evidence when you can go straight for a coverup.
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And manifesto you fit this behavior to a "T" no evidence, just unsupported comments.;)
Another aspect I'd like you to remember, and I believe I stated it before(but I'm not going to look for it) Quit posting in the manner that you do i.e. many thoughts piled into one post. Then we all can discuss the material. Of course you will hand wave every bit of science we present, or not read it in the first place.;)
 
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bknight said:
Of course you will hank wave every bit of science we present, or not read it in the first place.;)
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Cool. I have something named after me. Manifesto's hand-waving away all the evidence is a "hank wave". I like it.

Either that, or it's a typo.;)

Hank
 
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smartcooky said:
And here is something else I thought of when reading through a couple of other discussion forums

If there really was a conspiracy to kill JFK, why on earth go to all the trouble to fake all the evidence to make Oswald the patsy when they could have just hired a professional hitman to take him out at any time they liked and end up with an unsolved case. <polite snip>
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Here's the thing, that's how the CIA conducted assassinations in real life.

Most often they worked with locals who had a horse in the particular race who supplied the professional. The weapon, if there was to be a weapon used, was purchased by a third party in a way that it could not be traced back to anyone involved - including the shooter.

The weapon was almost always dumped, usually had the serial number filed off. This was true with Mafia hits.

The hitman never never knows who he is working for.
 
Axxman300 said:
Here's the thing, that's how the CIA conducted assassinations in real life.

Most often they worked with locals who had a horse in the particular race who supplied the professional. The weapon, if there was to be a weapon used, was purchased by a third party in a way that it could not be traced back to anyone involved - including the shooter.

The weapon was almost always dumped, usually had the serial number filed off. This was true with Mafia hits.

The hitman never never knows who he is working for.
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Ah, Big Brother Conspiracy Panel/Council.
 
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