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[davefoc]

If his removal does not affect the investigation, what is the intent?

This kind of response suggests that you are intentionally ignoring the point of people's posts because it is convenient for your overall view of the situation. I don't think your post is worth responding to. You might try thinking about the intent of post your post was directed at and then making a thoughtful post about what was intended. Otherwise you are just confirming that you are happy to allow your biases to drive your thoughts about the issues of this thread.

 

[Aridas]

As an aside here, what I was particularly curious about when I posed the questions to you earlier was why you are a Trump supporter.

That the President makes liberal heads explode, lumber tariffs, and the conservatives Judges he's getting into place ranked pretty highly last time I asked. Speaking of the lumber tariffs, I'm curious about whether logger got that raise he was looking forward to?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Another

"Paul Manafort came into the campaign very late and was with us for a short period of time (he represented Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole & many others over the years), but we should have been told that Comey and the boys were doing a number on him, and he wouldn’t have been hired!"

Like the way Sally Yates warned them about Flynn twice and the Trumpers didn't can him until the press got wind of it.

Seems to be distancing from Manafort.

Lot of coffee boys in that campaign.

 

[davefoc]

That the President makes liberal heads explode, lumber tariffs, and the conservatives Judges he's getting into place ranked pretty highly last time I asked. Speaking of the lumber tariffs, I'm curious about whether logger got that raise he was looking forward to?

logger is really associated with logging? Wow. So trade wars are OK when they protect your industry even when they involve violation of agreements and the harming of other industries?



Is that what this is all about? Simple self interest and hatred of the "left"? I suspect that this idea that everybody that disagrees with you is in the "left" is a cynical conscious creation of the Republican Party. Policy is complicated and almost all policies help some and hurt others but calling your opponents names can cut through a lot of thinking to get people all working for the common cause of defeating their common easily identified enemy.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Giuliani threatens to go to court if Mueller subpoenas Trump

Rudy Giuliani on Saturday threatened to take special counsel Robert Mueller to court if he attempts to issue a subpoena against President Trump.

"If Mueller tries to subpoena us, we're going to court," Giuliani said in an interview with ABC News. Giuliani, a former New York City mayor, joined Trump's legal team in April.

Giuliani’s warning arrived just hours after The New York Times revealed that Trump's lawyers sent Mueller a 20-page letter in January arguing that Trump couldn’t obstruct justice because he has unfettered authority over all federal investigations.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ns-to-go-to-court-if-mueller-subpoenas-trump?

Can you imagine bordering-on-senility Giuliani actually arguing a case in court?

 

[acbytesla]

Why?

Seriously? Why did Nixon fire Elliott Richardson and William Ruckelshaus? Same reason.

Trump asked Comey for his loyalty and on multiple occasions asked him to end the investigation into Flynn. Trump himself forced the appointment of the Special Counsel Robert Mueller by firing Comey and saying it was because of the Russia investigation.

Think about this, you’re blinded by hating this man so much you don’t even realize there’s no way he could think that.

Nonsense. I despise Trump because he's a liar, a cheat, a sleaze, and and most of all his total unwavering selfishness. The man absolutely holds ZERO respect for the things that really make America great. Things like the rule of law. Checks and balances. Freedom of the Press. I'm terrified that if Trump is allowed to finish his term that democracy in America will not endure.

 

[Aridas]

I’ve never seen it mentioned that the honey pot wanted to talk about hacked emails from the Russian government.

You are also not aware that the Russians actively worked to compromise the campaign through a number of routes, then, and largely successfully, at that?

If his removal does not affect the investigation, what is the intent?

As the President told the Russians in that meeting where he also casually handed over extremely highly classified information to them right after firing Comey, firing that nut job Comey relieved a lot of pressure on him related to the Russia investigation. You've forgotten so soon? That sure sounds like Comey's removal was intended to affect things related to the Russia investigation. There's also the irritation that the President was showing towards Comey being a "showboat" and upstaging him in the press cycle that I poked towards a moment ago. The least credible claim about intent, of course, was the official claim. Trump had been loudly praising him for doing what he officially used as an excuse to fire him, after all.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

"Comey and the boys were doing a number on him"

POTUS Obama ordered spying on Trump (he didn't) and the right wing is outraged! Outraged I tell you!

POTUS Trump, OTOH, has the right to investigate anyone.

Someone needs to ask Trump if he has the right to order investigations of Democratic candidates running this Nov.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Donations of that size would have been made using a complex formal process or authorised by Cabinet. Downer didn't just come up with the idea and approve it all by himself.

Or it's utter rubbish bouncing around the alt-right echo chamber that Pirro is repeating.

 

[logger]

You are also not aware that the Russians actively worked to compromise the campaign through a number of routes, then, and largely successfully, at that?

How were they successful?

As the President told the Russians in that meeting where he also casually handed over extremely highly classified information to them right after firing Comey, firing that nut job Comey relieved a lot of pressure on him related to the Russia investigation. You've forgotten so soon? That sure sounds like Comey's removal was intended to affect things related to the Russia investigation. There's also the irritation that the President was showing towards Comey being a "showboat" and upstaging him in the press cycle that I poked towards a moment ago. The least credible claim about intent, of course, was the official claim. Trump had been loudly praising him for doing what he officially used as an excuse to fire him, after all.

But it didn’t and couldn’t. Any law enforcement officer could explain that to you.

Comey was a showboat, look at his book tour. Who does that coming from an
FBI Director position?

 

[logger]

Nonsense. I despise Trump because he's a liar, a cheat, a sleaze, and and most of all his total unwavering selfishness. The man absolutely holds ZERO respect for the things that really make America great. Things like the rule of law. Checks and balances. Freedom of the Press. I'm terrified that if Trump is allowed to finish his term that democracy in America will not endure.

See what I mean? There really isn’t a point to spending much time arguing with you, don’t get me wrong it’s always fun, but I’m not going to waste my time getting in deep.

 

[logger]

That the President makes liberal heads explode, lumber tariffs, and the conservatives Judges he's getting into place ranked pretty highly last time I asked. Speaking of the lumber tariffs, I'm curious about whether logger got that raise he was looking forward to?

I’m in hardwoods, so no raise. He’ll probably kill the best Walnut market in decades by getting into this with China, but no time like the present.

 

[davefoc]

Can you imagine bordering-on-senility Giuliani actually arguing a case in court?

Giuliani pretending that he is actually an active part of the Trump legal team is either pathetic or humorous or both. Is he the only person in the country not in on the joke?

 

[Aridas]

How were they successful?

You weren't paying attention to the congressional reports, eh?

But it didn’t and couldn’t. Any law enforcement officer could explain that to you.

That doesn't mean that this particular President would be either paying attention to facts like that or believing that.

Comey was a showboat, look at his book tour. Who does that coming from an
FBI Director position?

I'm not going to argue whether Comey is or is not a showboat, because that's irrelevant to the point I actually made. The main point there, after all, is that Trump was blatantly lying when it came to the official reasons for firing Comey. He's also been quite clearly unhappy about the Russia investigation, to the point where he's also been considering firing other people related to it in hopes of getting it to end, despite strong advice against doing so. His complaints about Sessions not "protecting" him is just the tip of the iceberg there, really. Him firing Comey because he thought that it would end the Russia investigation would be entirely in line with his actual complaints and considered courses of action.

 

[logger]

You weren't paying attention to the congressional reports, eh?

No, please post the gist of the reports.

That doesn't mean that this particular President would be either paying attention to facts like that or believing that.

Yeah, so how does that prove intent?

I'm not going to argue whether Comey is or is not a showboat, because that's irrelevant to the point I actually made. The main point there, after all, is that Trump was blatantly lying when it came to the official reasons for firing Comey. He's also been quite clearly unhappy about the Russia investigation, to the point where he's also been considering firing other people related to it in hopes of getting it to end, despite strong advice against doing so. His complaints about Sessions not "protecting" him is just the tip of the iceberg there, really. Him firing Comey because he thought that it would end the Russia investigation would be entirely in line with his actual complaints and considered courses of action.

Seems to me he wanted to fire others because they were so clearly incompetent or corrupt.

 

[Aridas]

I’m in hardwoods, so no raise. He’ll probably kill the best Walnut market in decades by getting into this with China, but no time like the present.

Unfortunate, though unsurprising. I do hope that you eventually do get a raise, either way.

 

[Aridas]

No, please post the gist of the reports.

Honestly, I'm feeling lazy right now. Maybe later. If you're actually interested, though, they're not hard to find.

Yeah, so how does that prove intent?

That wasn't intended to prove intent. It was intended to point out that your defense is on rather shaky ground.

Seems to me he wanted to fire others because they were so clearly incompetent or corrupt.

I suppose that you could interpret things like that, if you're intent on being unreasonably generous to the man and largely ignoring his personality.

 

[NoahFence]

so who is trump, logger?
A complicit crook or an ignorant moron? It's one or the other.

 

[davefoc]

Unfortunate, though unsurprising. I do hope that you eventually do get a raise, either way.

Hmm, I admit to having more feelings for logger than some other individual unknown to me, but he favors policies that will lead to major pain for others. Is it so unreasonable, in the spirit of this thread, to not feel all that bad for logger if he suffers a bit because of the policies of the guy he supports while he shows very little empathy for the people harmed by Trump's various appeals to racism or the people harmed by his silly trade policies or the dreamers who have worked to make a place for themselves in this country who are being rounded up by Trump?


It is outside the scope of this thread but would Bernie Sanders be following a similar path as Trump is now with regard to trade wars?

 

[The Don]

Ahhh, the good old, "If the President does it, then it's not illegal" defense. How well did that work out last time it was used?

It's a different world now. The GOP will always have enough power to quash any attempts to bring Donald Trump to justice (if cause is found to attempt to do so.