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Drinking alcohol whilst white

Planigale

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So police failed to defuse a situation and over react. (For most of the world it will come as a shock that adults who are behaving can be beaten up by cops for possession of alcohol in a public place. Note she was not accused of drinking.)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44281691

To be honest I only wanted to emulate the popular kids and post a doing X whilst coloured Y issue.

I actually nearly ended up like this poor girl I took alcohol onto PB, as a non drinker this probably means that I was a dealer. Poor English twenty year olds thinking that drinking a can of fosters on the beach was cool (or in my case fizzy water). Luckily some nice guy told us to hide it before the cops / lifeguards saw us.
 
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Some more minor details:

Ms Weinman was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct after she was found in possession of alcohol on the beach, police said. She was also charged with resisting arrest and aggravated assault on a police officer "by spitting bodily fluids".
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Not saying that punching her was alright; but listen to how many of the onlookers are telling her to stop resisting.
 
Ya, as if this is a regular thing. I've never in 50 years seen or heard of anyone beaten just because they possessed alcohol illegally, and I still haven't after watching the video.

I've seen violent people - well no I have never personally actually seen cops beating someone at all. You'd think it happens all the time if you read the news/ISF.

I can't imagine why they would punch her in the head though, yes I do think that is probably excessive. I wasn't there but I would think they could have handled her without a closed fist. At least the guy can't punch.

There are so many BS stories right now I'm not judging anyone anymore. Cops are bad, people are bad. People here are full of it. Video is misleading, people lie even in the face of video proving them wrong.

I'm losing patience and sympathy for everyone, I've just had enough. Follow the law and don't be a bitch/ass and you will likely be fine. Ya ya I know but but but but but - systemic, Nazis, bad bad, can't get a break!!!! Everyone just. shut. up.
 
Brainster;1230833 Not saying that punching her was alright; but listen to how many of the onlookers are telling her to stop resisting.[/QUOTE said:
How can you tell those are onlookers? Aren't they more likely to be the cops saying that?
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mgidm86 said:
Ya, as if this is a regular thing. I've never in 50 years seen or heard of anyone beaten just because they possessed alcohol illegally, and I still haven't after watching the video.

I've seen violent people - well no I have never personally actually seen cops beating someone at all. You'd think it happens all the time if you read the news/ISF.

I can't imagine why they would punch her in the head though, yes I do think that is probably excessive. I wasn't there but I would think they could have handled her without a closed fist. At least the guy can't punch.

There are so many BS stories right now I'm not judging anyone anymore. Cops are bad, people are bad. People here are full of it. Video is misleading, people lie even in the face of video proving them wrong.

I'm losing patience and sympathy for everyone, I've just had enough. Follow the law and don't be a bitch/ass and you will likely be fine. Ya ya I know but but but but but - systemic, Nazis, bad bad, can't get a break!!!! Everyone just. shut. up.
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*********** East Coast cop douchebags ....
 
Sherman Bay said:
How can you tell those are onlookers? Aren't they more likely to be the cops saying that?
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There were a lot of people saying it; the BBC indicates they were onlookers:

Eyewitnesses can be heard in the recorded footage urging Ms Weinman, who is from Philadelphia, to stop resisting the police officers.
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This one is from my neck of the woods. Local reporting is that the young woman hit the cops and tried to run away. Cops say they have body cam footage to back it up.

I see Officer Hammerfist was a summer rent-a-cop. These types are hyper aggressive, IME.
 
Yes, she should have stopped resisting arrest. But it's BS to think several male police officers couldn't have controlled and arrested this woman without punching her in the head or anywhere.

It's another example of pissed off cop syndrome.
 
You can drink in public in other places? Man I really need to travel and find out these things.
 
Travis said:
You can drink in public in other places? Man I really need to travel and find out these things.
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Just think how upset my Brit friends were to find out that at twenty they could not buy alcohol! Two plus years of buying pints then dry. Lucky for them the teetotal muslim girly was 21 and could buy booze. (Was this was a crime?)
 
Planigale said:
Just think how upset my Brit friends were to find out that at twenty they could not buy alcohol! Two plus years of buying pints then dry. Lucky for them the teetotal muslim girly was 21 and could buy booze. (Was this was a crime?)
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And she gave it to her under 21 friends? Yes. That is a crime. She would be charged.
 
The age at which one can drink in the USA is, to my mind, utterly mental. "Yeah, sure, you can vote and get shot for your country and, possibly even lead a small unit in a hostile environment. You can drive a ton and a half car at 60 miles an hour. You can get married, get divorced, have a child, be a parent and a million other things. But alcohol. Nonono, that's for propergrown ups...

Madness.
 
Pet peeve

I always hated the narrative of "person treated poorly for doing minor offense X". The initial reason for the stop has very little to do with the use of force ultimately used. Police should (and I'm not saying this happens with any consistency) follow a reasonable, proportional escalation of force to ensure compliance with lawful orders. So yeah, a stop on the beach for open container could result in hands on, forceful arrest if the person stopped is non compliant and does not acquiesce to escalating force.

For example, if someone stopped for a minor offense refuses to be detained, or accept a ticket, they may be placed under arrest. If they resist arrest, they may be forcibly arrested. If they continue to resist, increasing force may be used. Someone who was initially going to be issued a minor citation may find themselves pepper sprayed and handcuffed, headed to jail for resisting. This may be a totally reasonable, appropriate conclusion based on the context and behavior of all involved, or it may be excessive force. The details matter. So headline may read "person thrown to ground for littering" when in reality the headline should be "person thrown to ground after refusing to be detained and ticketed for littering, resisting lawful arrest".

The level of severity of the initial crime should have little to do with use of force decisions. A triple murderer should not be roughed up if they surrender and comply nonviolently. A minor scofflaw may find themselves face down on the concrete after repeated, escalating noncompliance with lawful authority.

This is not meant to be apologism for cops who routinely use excessive force or needlessly escalate minor problems to violence. I just think this framing is unhelpful and muddies the water on the important issue of police accountability.

In this case, I find it hard to believe close handed strikes to the back of the head to a person mostly restrained by two cops is at all reasonable.
 
Planigale said:
Just think how upset my Brit friends were to find out that at twenty they could not buy alcohol! Two plus years of buying pints then dry. Lucky for them the teetotal muslim girly was 21 and could buy booze. (Was this was a crime?)
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They were in the wrong state. 45 States That Allow Underage (under 21) Alcohol Consumption
45 states have exceptions to allow underage consumption of alcohol under certain circumstances. Five states (Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, New Hampshire, and West Virginia) have no such exceptions.
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In 5 states you can drink at 18.
 
In Sweden you can go to a bar/pub and order a drink at 18, though you need to have turned 20 if you want to buy it from "Systembolaget" [the monopolized chain of stores, owned by the government, that sells booze etc]. There are more laws here regulating the handling of beer than grenades.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I always hated the narrative of "person treated poorly for doing minor offense X". The initial reason for the stop has very little to do with the use of force ultimately used. Police should (and I'm not saying this happens with any consistency) follow a reasonable, proportional escalation of force to ensure compliance with lawful orders. So yeah, a stop on the beach for open container could result in hands on, forceful arrest if the person stopped is non compliant and does not acquiesce to escalating force.

For example, if someone stopped for a minor offense refuses to be detained, or accept a ticket, they may be placed under arrest. If they resist arrest, they may be forcibly arrested. If they continue to resist, increasing force may be used. Someone who was initially going to be issued a minor citation may find themselves pepper sprayed and handcuffed, headed to jail for resisting. This may be a totally reasonable, appropriate conclusion based on the context and behavior of all involved, or it may be excessive force. The details matter. So headline may read "person thrown to ground for littering" when in reality the headline should be "person thrown to ground after refusing to be detained and ticketed for littering, resisting lawful arrest".

The level of severity of the initial crime should have little to do with use of force decisions. A triple murderer should not be roughed up if they surrender and comply nonviolently. A minor scofflaw may find themselves face down on the concrete after repeated, escalating noncompliance with lawful authority.

This is not meant to be apologism for cops who routinely use excessive force or needlessly escalate minor problems to violence. I just think this framing is unhelpful and muddies the water on the important issue of police accountability.

In this case, I find it hard to believe close handed strikes to the back of the head to a person mostly restrained by two cops is at all reasonable.
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I agree. Not exclusive to cops of course though, e.g thinking of custom agents et al.
 
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Jono said:
In Sweden you can go to a bar/pub and order a drink at 18, though you need to have turned 20 if you want to buy it from "Systembolaget" [the monopolized chain of stores, owned by the government, that sells booze etc]. There are more laws here regulating the handling of beer than grenades.
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So where does anyone over 18 go to buy their grenades?
 
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