Cont: Proof of Immortality VIII

If there is more than one alternative, your ‘proof’ fails.

That's exactly the sort of contradiction that a high-level examination is meant to reveal. Jabba's escapes from one problem in a sub-sub-sub-issue generally cause problems in another sub-issue that just happens not to be one of the ones he wants to talk about at the moment. So it never gets revealed in all its splendor. This is also a problem in circular arguments. Circular arguments are piecewise sequiturs that get worked into a circle. They could never be discovered in a fractal reductionist method. They have to be discovered at the highest possible level of the argument.
 
That's exactly the sort of contradiction that a high-level examination is meant to reveal. Jabba's escapes from one problem in a sub-sub-sub-issue generally cause problems in another sub-issue that just happens not to be one of the ones he wants to talk about at the moment. So it never gets revealed in all its splendor. This is also a problem in circular arguments. Circular arguments are piecewise sequiturs that get worked into a circle. They could never be discovered in a fractal reductionist method. They have to be discovered at the highest possible level of the argument.


That’s why he is so desperate to only discuss one “issue” at a time.
 
If there is more than one alternative, your ‘proof’ fails.
Mojo,
- Why do you say that?
- I'm just saying that there is more than one hypothesis that, if true, would show OOFLam to be wrong.
 
If you had read S0dhner's actual posts, you'd have learned that he left the thread days ago, fed up with your continued nonsense.

I'm still glancing in fairly often because I cycle through all my subscribed threads, but I'm really only skimming and I've decided to stop posting except in cases like this (where I happen to notice I've been directly addressed) or right before that where Jabba had left for a while and then come back and there was the tiniest slimmest chance of some growth or progress.


Well that's part of the problem then, isn't it?

But Jabba, if you really want to know how I feel about this whole situation I've put it in a nice bulleted list for you:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12193519#post12193519

Aaaaaand I'm leaving again. Enjoy, everyone!
 
Mojo,
- Why do you say that?
- I'm just saying that there is more than one hypothesis that, if true, would show OOFLam to be wrong.
Because you think that = immortality.
If you bothered to read peoples posts, you would see that, for example, it could be that you have 2 lives, not just 1. That is not immortality, but it is not one life only either.

People have been screaming for you for years about this false dilemma you are trying to create. See what happens when you don't bother reading posts and just talk to yourself?
 
Jabba,

Did you not read this?
- No.
So you think that "effective debate" consists of simply not reading your interlocutors responses? Really?

Good luck finding the next LCP. Nobody will volunteer you will simply glom onto somebody, anybody as the only person to whom you will respond and ignore their responses to you. Again.

Most here have been part of such rodeos in the past, and those here present who may not have, have had their rodeo baptism of fire.

It takes some bottle to stand up in public and admit that you simply are not reading the thread at all, not even SOdhner's posts. And you simply do not care. How is "effective debate" supposed to work if it is acceptable to not even read responses from one's interlocutors? How is that a debate at all?

Do you somehow think this is acceptable?

I would ask for an apology, but I know from years of experience with your shenanigans that none will be offered. At best, we can expect an excuse dressed as an apology. Possibly the return of the "befuddled old man" routine.

At this point, Jabba, Why would you expect anyone to put any effort into responding to your wild claims when it is quite clear that you will not read the response anyway? You have admitted that you do not.

How would this "effective debate" proceed if, as is your policy, to not read responses, or even as you claimed only the first line of responses?

As an experiment, how about I treat your posts that way? Would that be acceptable to you?

ETA: Note, while I asked you, you asked nobody if such was acceptable in "effective debate".
 
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Mojo,
- Why do you say that?


Because one of the fatal flaws in your ‘proof’ is that it relies on a false dilemma.

- I'm just saying that there is more than one hypothesis that, if true, would show OOFLam to be wrong.


You tried to get around one of the flaws in your argument by saying that you are “not now claiming that if non-OOFLam is true, we must be immortal” (emphasis yours). But your ‘proof’ attempts to do nothing but disprove “OOFLam”. If there are alternatives to “OOFLam” under which we are not immortal then your ‘proof’ fails. Since you have conceded this, the debate is over. You lost.
 
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- Is there anyone here that would like to hear my responses to the fatal flaws if I insist on doing them one at a time?
 
- Is there anyone here that would like to hear my responses to the fatal flaws if I insist on doing them one at a time?
You understand that you're free to address them one at a time after you have given a brief one or two sentence overview of how you plan to address each one in a single post?

Note that "a brief overview of how you plan to address each one" does not mean simply repeating the same vague hand waving and unsupported assertions you have previously posted. It means laying out a strategy for each one, to prove that you do actually have a strategy for each one. Then, and only then, should you start on your individual responses.
 

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