Tricky
Briefly immortal
[Iacchus]Well they can't kill me, and they can. Because I know, death and immortality are the absolutes, with a whole range of semi-living things in between.[/Iacchus]
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[Iacchus]Well they can't kill me, and they can. Because I know, death and immortality are the absolutes, with a whole range of semi-living things in between.[/Iacchus]
Exactly. I don't deny evolution exists as a process. Just, that by illustrating there is nothing random about it, albeit I don't deny it may appear that way (obviously), it suggests that everything "unfolds" according to the "master plan." Or else how could we show there was "a hand" in its fashioning? If God exists and, that entails existence itself, what part of existence would exist "randomly" away from its source?
Indeed, how could everything not be interconnected if it all came from the same place? There was only one Big Bang wasn't there? Yet obviously the Big Bang could not have happened, unless the "outline" for the Big Bang (or, blue print if you will) was already set in place.
Yes, the number 23 is the number of judgment. Consider Matthew chapter 23 for instance.Besides, as we all know, only 23 people REALLY exist, the rest of ya'll are just inreference patterns in our thought waves.
See, even in our arbitrariness, we should be careful what we say.
And have you not heard, "All the world's a stage?" Jail is just a preamble, of things to come.
Yet everything exists, to support the development of consciousness.
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos
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Is there some reason why you are assuming that God wouldn't include a random component to his creation?Iacchus said:
~~ Paul
My guess--if it is random, god is not controlling it, and god by definition controls everything. Admit randomness, and you admit something less than omnipotence.
Oh, and above all, don't admit that human understanding is not capable of distinguishing true randomness from god-controlled but human-perceived randomness. Even if it means taking the position that you, yourself, are a god.
Yes, in fact determined beforehand. Which is to say the same amount of complexity existed prior to the beginning of the Universe as it did after. How so? Because there is something else -- infinitely complex that is -- of which the Universe is made up of.
Mojo
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Bollocks. If the universe was determined before its creation, we have no reason to think that there must be anything "more complex" before it. Nor must we assume "something infinitely complex" that the universe is made of. And even if we granted you these two things, why must it be a god, and not something 'natural'?
Tricky
Briefly immortal
But of course, the only way you could possibly know this is true is if you were God. Otherwise, it is just your interpretation of how things are.
Since it is just your interpretation, it must be placed in the same bin with other interpretations and evaluated on its merit. Upon cursory evaluation, it is found that your interpretation is full of unjustified assumptions and circular logic, so it is one of the first ones cast aside. You can go play with your turtles now.
kmortis
Biomechanoid, Director of IDIOCY (Region 13)
Ok....we're back to this "inteconnectedness" thingy.
Um, so, you're trying to posit that since the BB happened, that all things still effect everything else? Is this one of those gross overuses of Lorentz's Butterfly Effect? You do understand that he didn't meant that "every little thing effects everything, in every way"? That's not what chaos theory is all about. Small changes in inputs will cause systems to behave in erratic, yet predictable, ways.
Yes, the number 23 is the number of judgment. Consider Matthew chapter 23 for instance.
See, even in our arbitrariness, we should be careful what we say.
Except, I wasn't being arbitrary. There is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over.
Um, sorry wrong quote.
There's a big difference between humor and arbitrary.
This is why he claims to be (a) god. His (lack of) logic demands it. If the only way for his fantasy to be true is for him to be a god, then by all means, bring on the fatted calves!
All you need do is look at the branches on a tree, where one thing stems from the next. Yet it's all inherent in the wisdom contained within a single seed.
Upchurch
Papa Funkosophy
Wisdom? Are you saying that a seen contains understanding and experience?
No, it's simply a matter understanding things don't just "pop up" out of thin air. And if you're unsure of what I'm saying here, perhaps you should go ask Merc?
I am merely saying that something cannot come from nothing and, that something (in all its complexity) has always existed. Which is to say, it's turtles all the way up.
Tricky
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Some things in nature branch? That's the rationale?
What about all the things in nature that don't branch, like stars, raindrops, snakes, your genealogical chart...
Oh, did you mean "seed?" Yes, if it were so-designed.
Upchurch
Papa Funkosophy
Yes, my tpying sonetines idn't so goop.
How, pray tell, does a seed have understanding or interpret experience when it lack the facilities to do so? Further, how do you determine that a seed performs these actions when it gives no sign whatsoever of even awareness?