What is the point of forced patriotism?

Pope130 said:
According to the new rules the players are not required to stand for the anthem. They may remain off the field during the anthem, but, if they choose to be on the field they are required to stand. There is no forced patriotic statement.
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Anyone want to take bets on how many games they'll play before someone with a swastika neck tattoo starts whining about how staying in the locker room is "disrespecting the flag"?
 
Travis said:
Right now forcing them to stand for the anthem is forcing them to agree with the political proposition that America has no racism, has no problems, and is without faults.
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What nonsense.

It's not that I agree with the NFL's decision, but what you wrote above is just silliness. Standing for the anthem is not an expression that the nation is flawless.
 
phiwum said:
What nonsense.

It's not that I agree with the NFL's decision, but what you wrote above is just silliness. Standing for the anthem is not an expression that the nation is flawless.
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In this context it is about refusing to acknowledge flaws.
 
phiwum said:
What nonsense.

It's not that I agree with the NFL's decision, but what you wrote above is just silliness. Standing for the anthem is not an expression that the nation is flawless.
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When they are trying to protest those flaws by not standing for the anthem, forcing them to stand for the anthem is akin to forcing them to ignore said flaws.

That said, the NFL can do whatever they want. I hope the players care enough to press the issue and go on strike.
 
ponderingturtle said:
In this context it is about refusing to acknowledge flaws.
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No, it is rather about whether the pre-game anthem is the appropriate forum for players to protest police violence.

As I said, I think the kneeling protests were respectful and reasonable. But the league thinks otherwise. It does not entail that the league denies police violence is a problem, but simply that this is not the time and place for political protests..
 
phiwum said:
No, it is rather about whether the pre-game anthem is the appropriate forum for players to protest police violence.

As I said, I think the kneeling protests were respectful and reasonable. But the league thinks otherwise. It does not entail that the league denies police violence is a problem, but simply that this is not the time and place for political protests..
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It is denying a problem. They are declaring it isn't significant enough to turn it into the time and place for it.
 
phiwum said:
No, it is rather about whether the pre-game anthem is the appropriate forum for players to protest police violence.

As I said, I think the kneeling protests were respectful and reasonable. But the league thinks otherwise. It does not entail that the league denies police violence is a problem, but simply that this is not the time and place for political protests..
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One of the first things that African-Americans learn when they begin to fight for civil rights is that there is never an appropriate time and place for protests...
 
logger said:
Doesn’t look like we’ll ever get rid of people who love this country. It’d be so much easier if the people who don’t even like it would just leave.
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Because there are different levels. Me not leaving is like a two star review. To get me to stand for a national anthem we are talking three stars.
 
Travis said:
So the NFL is going to start punishing players and teams that don't partake in mandatory political messaging before games. On social media conservatives are hailing the decision with comments that seem to best be summarized as "Yes, make them stand!"

"Make them stand?"

What is the point when the key action in that sentence is the word "make"? As in, take away choice.

All through the NFL protest blowup I never was able to figure out why conservatives want forced patriotism. Is it proper to even still call it "patriotism" at that point. After all we don't call rape "forced sex" because we understand that the "forced" part makes it not even a form of sex at all. Similarly shouldn't there be a new term for when someone stands for the anthem but not because they think America is without fault but because they face punishment if they do not.

And, more to the point, why do so many people love the idea of forced patriotism? Is it a power trip? A way to force someone else to do something you want not what they want?
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Ummm, ...

The players are not actually being forced to stand.

They are provided with an option to stay in the locker room during the playing of the anthem where they can sit, stand, lay down, make out with their hookers, etc.
 
Crossbow said:
Ummm, ...

The players are not actually being forced to stand.

They are provided with an option to stay in the locker room during the playing of the anthem where they can sit, stand, lay down, make out with their hookers, etc.
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A pthy, 3 word term for that would be nice.
 
Crossbow said:
Ummm, ...

The players are not actually being forced to stand.

They are provided with an option to stay in the locker room during the playing of the anthem where they can sit, stand, lay down, make out with their hookers, etc.
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Thus they are denied their venue to protest. No-platforming is only wrong when Nazis are the one's suffering from it?
 
BStrong said:
And said employees have the right to vote with their feet.

One of my LEO buddies and I had a running joke. If the event either one of us was forced to get into uniform and stand up behind the Mayor/CLEO/Whoever so they could make a pitch for gun control we'd make like Jeremiah Denton and eye blink out Morse code TORTURE.

In short, you don't have to agree, you just have to go through the motions. It makes ******** happy and bores hell out of the rest of us.
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Or you could have the balls to refuse to go through the motions, on principle, and tell the ******** to go **** themselves.

I hope the players elect to take the field and then kneel just to spite them.
 
uke2se said:
Thus they are denied their venue to protest. No-platforming is only wrong when Nazis are the one's suffering from it?
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With the vast amounts of money that those players are paid, if they really want to protest things, then they can definitely find all sorts of way to do so.
 
phiwum said:
No, it is rather about whether the pre-game anthem is the appropriate forum for players to protest police violence.

As I said, I think the kneeling protests were respectful and reasonable. But the league thinks otherwise. It does not entail that the league denies police violence is a problem, but simply that this is not the time and place for political protests..
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And of course as they were being sent out their as a marketing stunt for the military anyway, as opposed to in the past when the players were not on the field and so clearly hated america.

But those players owners are being well paid to shill for the military and they will do what they are told.

After all there is nothing more disrespectful than kneeling.
 
Crossbow said:
With the vast amounts of money that those players are paid, if they really want to protest things, then they can definitely find all sorts of way to do so.
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They chose to do it this way. Why don't you think the NFL should let them? I mean, obviously the protest was rather effective.
 
I wonder what's changed since this was taken...
 

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Crossbow said:
With the vast amounts of money that those players are paid, if they really want to protest things, then they can definitely find all sorts of way to do so.
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Yeah, they need to find a way to protest that doesn't actually make waves and is easier to ignore.
 
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