Ed Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday

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I support President Trump’s demand to make the FISA warrant public.
 
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I think it's sunk in that the investigation is actually progressing and resulting in people being indicted and prosecuted, which is why applecorped has moved on from repeatedly asking how many people have been indicted to repeatedly posting laughing dogs.
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In this case I have to agree with applecorped.

Any mob boss would be far more competent than Trump, and probably less transparent.
 
https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/998553671473516545

I keep getting bombarded with emails/comments/FB posts that if the FBI wasn't out to "get Trump" they would have warned him about the Russian threat when they discovered it.

THEY DID. In July 2016.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ans-would-try-infiltrate-his-campaign-n830596
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https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/998555311630929921

Given that POTUS was made aware -- DURING HIS CAMPAIGN -- that the FBI was watching out for Russians who may be making contact or trying to infiltrate his campaign, why is he accusing the FBI of being "politically motivated"? He knew they were investigating this the whole time!
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Stacko said:
Is there going to be a Monday afternoon massacre?

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POTUS CT king is unpredictable. Neither Wray nor Rosenstein appear to be CT believers. Trump's been replacing non-believers with believers and there are very few left around him who aren't reinforcing his imaginary world.

But Rosenstein has shown some capacity to step lightly around Trump's CT beliefs. If they say they are looking into it instead of saying there is no evidence, they can stall.

The stupid news media are giving some credence to the BS that Mueller will be interfering with the election if he doesn't end the investigation by Sept. Or supposedly taking a break from Sept to Nov is somehow an alternative. :boggled:

Third BS talking point being considered by the idiot TV News anchor Andrea Mitchell is predicting Mueller could complete the collusion aspect and write a report by September.

The news media continues to forego actual investigative reporting and put these crap prediction ponderings out there.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
POTUS CT king is unpredictable. Neither Wray nor Rosenstein appear to be CT believers. Trump's been replacing non-believers with believers and there are very few left around him who aren't reinforcing his imaginary world.

But Rosenstein has shown some capacity to step lightly around Trump's CT beliefs. If they say they are looking into it instead of saying there is no evidence, they can stall.

The stupid news media are giving some credence to the BS that Mueller will be interfering with the election if he doesn't end the investigation by Sept. Or supposedly taking a break from Sept to Nov is somehow an alternative. :boggled:

Third BS talking point being considered by the idiot TV News anchor Andrea Mitchell is predicting Mueller could complete the collusion aspect and write a report by September.

The news media continues to forego actual investigative reporting and put these crap prediction ponderings out there.
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In support of your view.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Watergate_scandal

  • November 5, 1968: Richard Nixon elected President.[1]
  • January 20, 1969: Richard Nixon is inaugurated as the 37th President of The United States.
  • July 1, 1971: David Young and Egil “Bud” Krogh write a memo suggesting the formation of what later became called the "White House Plumbers" in response to the leak of the Pentagon Papers by Daniel Ellsberg.
  • August 21, 1971: Nixon's Enemies List is started by White House aides (though Nixon himself may not have been aware of it); to "use the available federal machinery to screw our political enemies."
  • September 3, 1971: "White House Plumbers" E. Howard Hunt, G. Gordon Liddy, and others break into the offices of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist Lewis Fielding looking for material that might discredit Ellsberg, under the direction of John Ehrlichman or his staff within the White House. This was the Plumbers' first major operation.[2]
  • By early 1972, the Plumbers, at this stage assigned to the Committee to Re-Elect the President (CRP), had become frustrated at the lack of additional assignments they were being asked to perform, and that any plans and proposals they suggested were being rejected by CRP. Liddy and Hunt took their complaints to the White House – most likely to Charles Colson – and requested that the White House start putting pressure on CRP to assign them new operations. It is likely that both Colson and White House Chief of Staff H.R. Haldeman did so, starting the train of events that led to the Watergate break-ins a few months later. This narrative was confirmed in the famous "Cancer on the Presidency" conversation between Nixon and White House Counsel John Dean on March 21, 1973.[3]
  • May 2, 1972: J. Edgar Hoover dies; L. Patrick Gray is appointed acting FBI director.[4]
  • June 17, 1972: The plumbers are arrested at 2:30 a.m. in the process of burglarizing and planting surveillance bugs in the Democratic National Committee offices at the Watergate Building Complex.
  • June 20, 1972: Reportedly based on a tip from Deep Throat (associate director of the FBI, Mark Felt), Bob Woodward reports in the Washington Post that one of the burglars had E. Howard Hunt in his address book and possessed checks signed by Hunt, and that Hunt was connected to Charles Colson.
  • June 23, 1972: In the Oval Office, H.R. Haldeman recommends to President Nixon that they attempt to shut down the FBI investigation of the Watergate break-in, by having CIA Director Richard Helms and Deputy Director Vernon A. Walters tell acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray to, "Stay the hell out of this". Haldeman expects Gray will then seek and take advice from Deputy FBI Director Mark Felt, and Felt will obey direction from the White House out of ambition. Nixon agrees and gives the order. [5] The conversation is recorded.
  • September 15, 1972: Hunt, Liddy, and the Watergate burglars are indicted by a federal grand jury.
  • November 7, 1972: Nixon re-elected, defeating George McGovern with the largest plurality of votes in American history.
  • January 8, 1973: Five defendants plead guilty as the burglary trial begins. Liddy and James W. McCord Jr. are convicted after the trial.
  • January 20, 1973: Nixon is inaugurated for his second term.
  • February 28, 1973: Confirmation hearings begin for confirming L. Patrick Gray as permanent Director of the FBI. During these hearings, Gray reveals that he had complied with an order from John Dean to provide daily updates on the Watergate investigation, and also that Dean had "probably lied" to FBI investigators.
  • March 17, 1973: Watergate burglar McCord writes a letter to Judge John Sirica, claiming that some of his testimony was perjured under pressure and that the burglary was not a CIA operation, but had involved other government officials, thereby leading the investigation to the White House.
  • April 6, 1973: White House counsel John Dean begins cooperating with federal Watergate prosecutors.
  • April 27, 1973: L. Patrick Gray resigns after it comes to light that he destroyed files from E. Howard Hunt's safe. William Ruckelshaus is appointed as his replacement.
  • April 30, 1973: Senior White House administration officials Ehrlichman, Haldeman, and Richard Kleindienst resign, and John Dean is fired.
  • May 17, 1973: The Senate Watergate Committee begins its nationally televised hearings.
  • May 19, 1973: Independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox appointed to oversee investigation into possible presidential impropriety.
  • June 3, 1973: John Dean tells Watergate investigators that he has discussed the cover-up with Nixon at least 35 times.
  • July 13, 1973: Alexander Butterfield, former presidential appointments secretary, reveals that all conversations and telephone calls in Nixon’s office have been taped since 1971.
  • July 18, 1973: Nixon orders White House taping systems disconnected.
  • July 23, 1973: Nixon refuses to turn over presidential tapes to Senate Watergate Committee or the special prosecutor.
  • Vice President replaced:
  • October 10, 1973: Spiro Agnew resigns as Vice President of the United States due to corruption while he was the governor of Maryland.
  • October 12, 1973: Gerald Ford is nominated as Vice President under the 25th Amendment.
  • October 20, 1973: "Saturday Night Massacre" - Nixon orders Elliot Richardson and Ruckelshaus to fire special prosecutor Cox. They both refuse to comply and resign. Robert Bork considers resigning but carries out the order.
  • November 1, 1973: Leon Jaworski is appointed new special prosecutor.
  • November 17, 1973: Nixon delivers "I am not a crook" speech at a televised press conference at Disney World (Florida).
  • November 27, 1973: the Senate votes 92 to 3 to confirm Ford as Vice President.
  • December 6, 1973: the House votes 387 to 35 to confirm Ford as Vice President, and he takes the oath of office an hour after the vote.
  • January 28, 1974: Nixon campaign aide Herbert Porter pleads guilty to perjury.
  • February 25, 1974: Nixon personal counsel Herbert Kalmbach pleads guilty to two charges of illegal campaign activities.
  • March 1, 1974: In an indictment against seven former presidential aides, delivered to Judge Sirica together with a sealed briefcase intended for the House Committee on the Judiciary, Nixon is named as an unindicted co-conspirator.
  • March 4, 1974: the "Watergate Seven" (Mitchell, Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Colson, Gordon C. Strachan, Robert Mardian, and Kenneth Parkinson) are formally indicted.
  • March 18, 1974: Judge Sirica orders the grand jury's sealed report to be sent to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
  • April 5, 1974: Dwight Chapin convicted of lying to a grand jury.
  • April 7, 1974: Ed Reinecke, Republican lieutenant governor of California, indicted on three charges of perjury before the Senate committee.
  • April 16, 1974: Special Prosecutor Jaworski issues a subpoena for 64 White House tapes.
  • April 30, 1974: White House releases edited transcripts of the Nixon tapes, but the House Judiciary Committee insists the actual tapes must be turned over.
  • May 9, 1974: Impeachment hearings begin before the House Judiciary Committee.
  • June 15, 1974: Woodward and Bernstein's book All the President's Men is published by Simon & Schuster (ISBN 0-671-21781-X).
  • July 24, 1974: United States v. Nixon decided: Nixon is ordered to give up tapes to investigators.
  • Congress moves to impeach Nixon.
  • July 27 to July 30, 1974: House Judiciary Committee passes Articles of Impeachment.
  • Early August 1974: A previously unknown tape from June 23, 1972 (recorded a few days after the break-in) documenting Nixon and Haldeman formulating a plan to block investigations is released. This recording later became known as the "Smoking Gun".
  • Key Republican Senators tell Nixon that enough votes exist to convict him.
  • August 8, 1974: Nixon delivers his resignation speech in front of a nationally televised audience.
  • August 9, 1974: Nixon resigns from office. Gerald Ford becomes president.
  • September 8, 1974: President Ford ends the investigations by granting Nixon a pardon.
  • October 17, 1974: Ford testifies before Congress on the pardon, the first sitting president to testify before Congress since President Lincoln.
  • November 7, 1974: 94th Congress elected: Democratic Party picks up 5 Senate seats and 49 House seats. Many of the freshman congressmen are very young; the media dubs them "Watergate Babies".
  • December 31, 1974: As a result of Nixon administration abuses of privacy, Privacy Act of 1974 passes into law. Ford is persuaded to veto the bill by Richard Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld; Congress overrides Ford's veto. (Note that the newly elected Congress had not taken office yet, this Congress was still the 93rd Congress.)
  • January 1, 1975: John N. Mitchell, John Ehrlichman and H. R. Haldeman convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice and perjury.
  • July 27, 1975: Church Committee, chaired by Frank Church, commences to investigate foreign and domestic intelligence-gathering activities.
  • November 4, 1975: Ford replaces several Nixon cabinet members in the "Halloween Massacre", engineered by Ford aide Donald Rumsfeld. Richard Cheney, George H. W. Bush and Brent Scowcroft join Ford administration; Rumsfeld becomes Secretary of Defense; Henry Kissinger remains as Secretary of State but not National Security Advisor.
  • May 5, 1976: Church Committee superseded by Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
  • November 2, 1976: Ford is defeated in the United States presidential election by Jimmy Carter.
  • January 20, 1977: Jimmy Carter is inaugurated at the 39th President of The United States.
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It's almost as though an investigation into complex conspiracies takes a long time.
 
jimbob said:
In support of your view.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Watergate_scandal

August 21, 1971: Nixon's Enemies List is started by White House aides (though Nixon himself may not have been aware of it); to "use the available federal machinery to screw our political enemies."
It's almost as though an investigation into complex conspiracies takes a long time.
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I'm assuming this came from Wikipedia. This is wrong. Nixon ABSOLUTELY was fully aware. There is a Watergate tape where he is heard discussing with Halderman the appointment of a new IRS director and the need to find a ruthless SOB who will go after our enemies.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm assuming this came from Wikipedia. This is wrong. Nixon ABSOLUTELY was fully aware. There is a Watergate tape where he is heard discussing with Halderman the appointment of a new IRS director and the need to find a ruthless SOB who will go after our enemies.
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https://youtu.be/POarWqNJS18


Not sure how more definitive it is possible to be. Nixon was screwing people over that weren't willing to go along with his attempts to use the federal government to screw over people on his enemies list.
 
davefoc said:
https://youtu.be/POarWqNJS18


Not sure how more definitive it is possible to be. Nixon was screwing people over that weren't willing to go along with his attempts to use the federal government to screw over people on his enemies list.
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Pretty Amazing wasn't it? And Trump is doing the same kind of crap and Logger doesn't care one bit. But you know he would have gone crazy if Obama had done anything remotely similar.

It's time for GOP Congressional leaders to show some backbone and tell Trump enough is enough. I doubt they will though.
 
acbytesla said:
Pretty Amazing wasn't it? And Trump is doing the same kind of crap and Logger doesn't care one bit. But you know he would have gone crazy if Obama had done anything remotely similar.

It's time for GOP Congressional leaders to show some backbone and tell Trump enough is enough. I doubt they will though.
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This is an interesting phenomena which I've thought quite a bit about without coming up with anything interesting or insightful.


Trump tells lies that people want to hear. That excites them and since they are lies they want to hear they are inclined to turn off their skepticism when they are listening to him. There is also the cynical support for Trump which is mostly derived from people who think they will profit from his presidency in some way. i.e., Rich people who think he will reduce their taxes (they were right), people that don't want to pay for the third party consequences of their actions (fossil fuel industry, etc.), preachers that want to latch on to him because it provides them political power, etc. This group supplies the money that can be used to manipulate the true believers in to supporting the candidate that they hope to profit from.



It is discouraging that this strategy can always succeed among a certain percentage of the population. It doesn't matter that the US violence rates were roughly half of what they were 50 years ago. Tell the people that they are living in a violent dystopia and they will believe it if you blame it on the right group of people. It doesn't matter that unemployment had plummeted in the last seven years of the Obama administration, tell people that it had soared and blame it on the black president and people will believe it. It doesn't matter that the US has become the richest country in the world with immigration and free trade being major drivers, tell people the Chinese and the Mexicans are screwing them and they will believe it because they'd like to believe their problems are caused by some group that doesn't include them.

A key part of the success of this strategy is to have something like Fox News to relentlessly mislead and lie to people. It takes more than a crackpot that lies without remorse to win the presidency. It takes a propaganda machine that functions without ethics or regard to the truth to support this crackpot.


And of course this wouldn't be a fair summary of the situation without mentioning that a seriously flawed opponent can go along way to aiding a corrupt, incompetent, massively dishonest buffoon to become president.
 
Trump on Brennan.

"“John Brennan is panicking. He has disgraced himself, he has disgraced the Country, he has disgraced the entire Intelligence Community. He is the one man who is largely responsible for the destruction of American’s faith in the Intelligence Community and in some people at the...."

"....top of the FBI. Brennan started this entire debacle about President Trump. We now know that Brennan had detailed knowledge of the (phony) Dossier...he knows about the Dossier, he denies knowledge of the Dossier, he briefs the Gang of 8 on the Hill about the Dossier, which...."

"...they then used to start an investigation about Trump. It is that simple. This guy is the genesis of this whole Debacle. This was a Political hit job, this was not an Intelligence Investigation. Brennan has disgraced himself, he’s worried about staying out of Jail.” Dan Bongino"

What's with referring to himself in the third person?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump on Brennan.

"“John Brennan is panicking. He has disgraced himself, he has disgraced the Country, he has disgraced the entire Intelligence Community. He is the one man who is largely responsible for the destruction of American’s faith in the Intelligence Community and in some people at the...."

"....top of the FBI. Brennan started this entire debacle about President Trump. We now know that Brennan had detailed knowledge of the (phony) Dossier...he knows about the Dossier, he denies knowledge of the Dossier, he briefs the Gang of 8 on the Hill about the Dossier, which...."

"...they then used to start an investigation about Trump. It is that simple. This guy is the genesis of this whole Debacle. This was a Political hit job, this was not an Intelligence Investigation. Brennan has disgraced himself, he’s worried about staying out of Jail.” Dan Bongino"

What's with referring to himself in the third person?
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He is trying to distance himself from the real Donald Trump.
 
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