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jimbob said:
There isn't exactly a lack of evidence - up to December, where I started to get overwhelmed by the amount of evidence, I periodically tried creating a timeline


Mar 19| Podesta email hacked
Apr 19| DCLeaks.com registered
May 3| Trump becomes presumptive nominee
June 3| Goldstone contacts Trump Jr. to setup meeting which promises to discuss Clinton June 7 17:16 | Don Jr. confirms meeting w/ Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya June7 21:13 | Trump promises press conf the next week with Clinton dirt
June 8| Trump posts link to DCLeaks
June 9| Trump Jr, Kushner, Manafort meet with Russian operative
June 9 | Trump Jr calls blocked number immediately after meeting claims he can't recall whether his father's number is blocked (others have confirmed it is)
June 12| Assange announces Clinton emails
June 27| Hacked emails posted to DCLeaks
July 11| Trump/Manafort nix pro-Ukranian plank in GOP platform (and lie about it)
Late July | Malware researchers spot unusual server activity between Trump server and Alfa Bank
Aug 21| Roger Stone writes "it will soon be Podesta's time in the barrel"
Oct -7 | Pussygate video released
Oct 7| Wikileaks releases Podesta emails (an hour later)
Dec- 29 | Flynn Consults With Transition Team, Then Calls Kislyak
Dec 30 | Putin Declines to Retaliate
2017 |
Jan 15 | Pence Says He Is Unaware of Flynn’s Discussions
Jan 26| Sally Yates meets White House Counsel and warns that Flynn is lying and the Russians can prove it - making him a blackmail risk
Feb 9| Flynn’s Conversation Is Revealed by WaPo
Feb 13 | Flynn fired
Feb 14 | White House Says Flynn Violated President’s Trust
Feb 14| Trump asks FBI Director Comey to drop investigation into Flynn
May 9| Comey is fired
May| DOJ drops money laundering case against client of Natalia Veselnitskaya
May 11| Trump tells NBC he considered "this Russia thing" before firing Comey
May 12| Democrats ask questions about the DoJ dropping the money lanudering case
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You might have these two in reverse order:
Jan 19 Pence Says He Is Unaware of Flynn’s Discussions
Jan 26 Sally Yates meets White House Counsel and warns that Flynn is lying and the Russians can prove it - making him a blackmail risk
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I don't know the dates But I am pretty sure Yates told Pence about Flynn, later Pence claimed Flynn lied, but Yates said, she had indeed warned Pence.

Add to your list the loans Trump Tower Indonesia received about the same time Trump Tweeted to the Commerce Dept to get to it, lifting the sanctions against the Chinese telecom. And after failing to get the Qatar backing for loans for Kushner's underwater NY Soho building, the US took Saudi's side blockading Qatar over the Yemen civil war even though we have a large military base in Qatar. Subsequently Kushner had a lovely time with the Saudi Prince, classified intelligence about the Prince's internal rivals may have been exchanged, the Prince arrested those rivals and what do you know, the funding for the 666 building seems to be coming from the Saudis.
 
Meadmaker said:
And speaking of pawns, I just returned from the gym, and there was Anderson Cooper on CNN, with a headline, "Breaking News". It seems that Rudy Giuliani was told by someone in the Mueller team that Mueller's team will adhere to Justice Department guidelines that they will not indict a sitting President. They then discussed the implications with tonight's panel, with a special emphasis on the implications for impeachment.

The only mention of Russians came during the segment about whether or not anyone could possibly believe Don Jr's claim that he hadn't discussed the Trump Tower meeting with Don Sr.

So, while you, logger, might be one of their pawns, Cooper is a much more significant pawn. I'll bet Putin laughs himself to sleep every night.
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11 months ago on Anderson Cooper 360: The Russian Connection: Inside the Attack on Democracy. Cooper was attacked by the right wing for calling attention to inaction to the Russians. In fact, he even sounded similar to you:

Hammering home his point, Cooper later said that Trump and his administration continue to show a lack of interest in Russia. In fact, Cooper said Trump appears to only care about the Russian hacking story so to clear his name of any wrongdoing. Democrats allege Trump’s campaign colluded with Russian operatives, but the claims have proved thus far to be unfounded.

“The common thread seems to be a lack of interest in the actual threat,” Cooper said.
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Does the 24 hour news media have the short attention span, or does its viewers?
 
Meadmaker said:
I don't watch a lot of TV news, but when I'm at the gym, I often watch CNN. It seems to be nonstop coverage of Trump's legal trouble, and that is indeed the focus. Whether it's Michael Cohen, Stormy Daniels, Paul Manafort, or whatever, the questions always come back to whether Trump new anything about it. Could this or that move by Trump be considered obstruction of justice? etc. etc. Worthwhile questions, but they sure talk about it a lot. On the times when they brought up the Russian fake news campaign, the focus was always, "Was the Trump campaign involved?"
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Yeah... Mainstream TV news. Well known bias towards what they think will give them better ratings. Trump is great for ratings. It's no surprise that they're focusing on him, generally speaking. Do the Democrats care about election integrity? Well, when that was worthy of being part of the pitch for a number of Democratic candidates during the primaries, that's a pretty good sign that there's focus there, before getting to the general behavior of the party for years.

Skeptic Ginger said:
It's Trump's job to stand against foreign enemies like this and he's doing nothing except crying "no collusion" over and over and dismissing the ongoing threat because he can't accept that he might not have won the election without Russian help. His pathologic narcissism, IOM, is literally preventing him from accepting the threat of Russian interference including ongoing interference.
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Nothing but that? What are you talking about? He's been giving gift after gift after gift to Putin. Giving classified intelligence, dividing the US, distancing the US from its allies, warning Russia through extremely public channels before military actions, is helping to reverse their deficit with the rise in oil prices that he caused by withdrawing from the Iran agreement, withdrawing from the TPP, refusing to enforce sanctions as much as he could get away with, praising Putin, undermining trust in the US government and intelligence forces... the list goes on and on.
 
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This administration is proving to be the most corrupt administration in US History

Every single day we see overwhelming evidence that Donald Trump and his associates have monetized the White House in ways that are stunning in their breadth. I'm afraid we have just scratched the surface.

It's going to get a lot uglier.
 
Aridas said:
... Nothing but that? What are you talking about? He's been giving gift after gift after gift to Putin. Giving classified intelligence, dividing the US, distancing the US from its allies, warning Russia through extremely public channels before military actions, is helping to reverse their deficit with the rise in oil prices that he caused by withdrawing from the Iran agreement, withdrawing from the TPP, refusing to enforce sanctions as much as he could get away with, praising Putin, undermining trust in the US government and intelligence forces... the list goes on and on.
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There's only so much time in the day. This stuff is coming fast and furious now.

The latest: the missing SARs (suspicious activity report from the bank about account activity) from the Treasury Department data base, sounds like it might be akin to the missing 18 minutes from Nixon's tapes.
 
Hannity, OMG, scary stuff. It's all Deep State, the liars are Comey and the FBI, plot to get Trump, Hillary committed crimes, had the investigation rigged, the dossier was part of the plot... yada yada. It sounds like InfoWars.

And this idiot is talking to Trump more than once a day? :jaw-dropp
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
11 months ago on Anderson Cooper 360: The Russian Connection: Inside the Attack on Democracy. Cooper was attacked by the right wing for calling attention to inaction to the Russians. In fact, he even sounded similar to you:



Does the 24 hour news media have the short attention span, or does its viewers?
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And this is a totally fair point. Donald Trump himself ought to be the prime speaker on the problem of Russian attacks on American democracy. Instead, narcissist that he is, his only interest is in loudly proclaiming that he, personally, had nothing to do with it, and attacking the people investigating it.
 
Meadmaker said:
And this is a totally fair point. Donald Trump himself ought to be the prime speaker on the problem of Russian attacks on American democracy. Instead, narcissist that he is, his only interest is in loudly proclaiming that he, personally, had nothing to do with it, and attacking the people investigating it.
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That’s because they made it all about him. It’s a hoax designed to get him. What the Russians did is a joke, it didn’t sway the election. It’s been turned into get Trump.
 
Trump tweets

"Wow, word seems to be coming out that the Obama FBI “SPIED ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WITH AN IMBEDDED INFORMANT.” Andrew McCarthy says, “There’s probably no doubt that they had at least one confidential informant in the campaign.” If so, this is bigger than Watergate!"

Yes Donald it is, have you just realised?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump tweets

"Wow, word seems to be coming out that the Obama FBI “SPIED ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WITH AN IMBEDDED INFORMANT.” Andrew McCarthy says, “There’s probably no doubt that they had at least one confidential informant in the campaign.” If so, this is bigger than Watergate!"

Yes Donald it is, have you just realised?
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Did he mean informant? Informants are legitimate investigation tools, right?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Without a citation or example? No I don't remember.
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There is this regarding Clinton. I only skimmed the article, but it appears that there was no evidence that Clinton knew about the donations, though Republicans claimed the investigation was hampered by partisans protecting the administration.

Not quite the same as hacking the DNC and releasing emails at opportune times, of course.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump tweets

"Wow, word seems to be coming out that the Obama FBI “SPIED ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WITH AN IMBEDDED INFORMANT.” Andrew McCarthy says, “There’s probably no doubt that they had at least one confidential informant in the campaign.” If so, this is bigger than Watergate!"
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"Seems to be coming out" ah right, lets see how that develops before making a Presidential statement. I wonder if it is still considered to be the "Obama FBI" (I just use OFBI) or now it is shortened back to plain old "FBI"
 
logger said:
That’s because they made it all about him. It’s a hoax designed to get him. What the Russians did is a joke, it didn’t sway the election. It’s been turned into get Trump.
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This "hoax" is supported by a list of Republican officials that would make a phone book jealous.
 
logger said:
That’s because they made it all about him. It’s a hoax designed to get him. What the Russians did is a joke, it didn’t sway the election. It’s been turned into get Trump.
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It's again worth noting that according to Trump (and many of his apologists), the DNC "rigged" the primary for Clinton. Please look up the definition of "rigged." Now consider that Clinton received millions more votes in the primary than Sanders -- indeed even more than the difference between her and Trump. Now imagine if Clinton's team had benefited from rogue Democratic hackers breaking into Sanders' campaign or, Allah-forbid, Trump's. Would that have made a difference? Certainly not. Yet, when it comes to the general election, again according to Trump apologists, the Donald was going to win regardless. Wikileaks, Comey's announcement, fake news -- all moot.

I'm sure that if Trump loses in 2020, he will not blame the media, the Deep State, and/or Mueller's investigation. Instead it will be because Democratic candidate ____________ was inevitable, and a true expression of the American people Electoral College.
 
Cain said:
It's again worth noting that according to Trump (and many of his apologists), the DNC "rigged" the primary for Clinton. Please look up the definition of "rigged." Now consider that Clinton received millions more votes in the primary than Sanders -- indeed even more than the difference between her and Trump. Now imagine if Clinton's team had benefited from rogue Democratic hackers breaking into Sanders' campaign or, Allah-forbid, Trump's. Would that have made a difference? Certainly not. Yet, when it comes to the general election, again according to Trump apologists, the Donald was going to win regardless. Wikileaks, Comey's announcement, fake news -- all moot.

I'm sure that if Trump loses in 2020, he will not blame the media, the Deep State, and/or Mueller's investigation. Instead it will be because Democratic candidate ____________ was inevitable, and a true expression of the American people Electoral College.
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A two-paragraph, well-argued post? Rather than a snarky one-liner that inevitably confuses a poster or two?

Who are you and what have you done with Cain?
 
logger said:
That’s because they made it all about him. It’s a hoax designed to get him. What the Russians did is a joke, it didn’t sway the election. It’s been turned into get Trump.
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We can never be sure of that. If around 40,000 votes in three states had gone the other way, or a few thousand more Clinton voters had gone to the polls, Clinton would have won. There is no way to know how many lukewarm Clinton voters just stayed home because of the crap they were reading from Russian trolls, or how many Trumpets were motivated by it.
 
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