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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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bknight said:
look them up and you'll find what I asked for.:mad:
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So, I have to provide your sources in support of your assertions AND provide sources for assertions I make without getting to know exactly which assertions you need sources for?

Is it always like this in the Mighty Church? Up is down, down is up and CIA a benevolent organisation?
 
bknight said:
Do you have any other? Can't use JFK because that would be begging the question.
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There are lots of explained human trauma reflexes described in the scientific litterature spaning at least the last couple of centuries of human slaughtering each other.

War, executions, crime, accidents, etc. Well covered.
 
manifesto said:
So, I have to provide your sources in support of your assertions AND provide sources for assertions I make without getting to know exactly which assertions you need sources for?

Is it always like this in the Mighty Church? Up is down, down is up and CIA a benevolent organisation?
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No, all I asked is to provide a citation for many of the statements you posted. It is really very simple, look at my posts and answer my questions/provide a citation that supports your statements.
 
manifesto said:
There are lots of explained human trauma reflexes described in the scientific litterature spaning at least the last couple of centuries of human slaughtering each other.

War, executions, crime, accidents, etc. Well covered.
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Provide a citation for your expectations of JFK, not just a wall of text(unsubstantiated I might add).
 
HSienzant said:
Begging the question. Abraham Zapruder, who filmed the assassination and who owned the rights to his personal property (the Zapruder film showing the assassination) sold the print rights to LIFE Magazine, but not the film rights.
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Since both you and Zapruder has been caught lying x times before, I think I have to ask you to provide a source for this.

Have any?

It could NOT be shown as a film. See, in this country, there's such a thing as personal property, and property rights (not everything is owned by the state) and Zapruder deliberately withheld the movie rights to the film because he thought it was too gruesome to show in movie theatres.
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Yes I know, Hank, it is a bit peculiar that way. Selling the best evidence to the highest bidder seem to be a fine and proud tradition in the US.

- The only film that covers the entirety of the assassination of the 35th president.

- All the steel on ground zero before a forensic investigation was allowed on the premises.

You should feel really proud, Hank. It’s a dandy tradition.

But grainy bootleg copies of the film became available in the late 1960's after the Garrison trial of Clay Shaw and then one of those copies was shown on national television (March 6th 1975). Zapruder was deceased by that time (died August 30, 1970) and the family declined to sue for infringement.
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No, they were very modest. 150 000 dollars from LIFE who sold it back after Riveras outing of the content for 1 dollar. After that, the JFK Records Act, and another 16 000 000 dollars! from the taxpayers.

How’s that for making a buck NOT being a ”conspiracy theorist”, Hank? Where is the real money?

To my knowledge, Humes never said anything like that. I'd ask for a quote, but you don't have one.
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"Three shots were heard and the President fell forward, bleeding from the head. . ." (Warren Report p. 539.)​
The only known source for this is the Dan Rather statement, making him a ’made man’ in US Gangster State.

They owned the print rights. Why would they comment on the alleged movement? LIFE magazine wasn't a ballistics expert. Nor a physicist.

Hank
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Maybe because they were in the newspaper business as a member of the fourth estate? Heard of that? Keeping an eye on the people in power, reporting corruption, political crimes and abuses of the public trust?

Lol.
 
HSienzant said:
I have some alibi witnesses. My entire fourth grade class on the east coast.

Manifesto does come up with some doozies, doesn't he?

Hank
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actually, I meant trying to make himself not the suspect. :D
maybe this is how he knows Oswald didn't do it.
 
bknight said:
Provide a citation for your expectations of JFK, not just a wall of text(unsubstantiated I might add).
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No. You are still thinking hanging up side down.

If YOU claim that the movements of JFK in connection to the shot in Z312/3 can be explained by some sort of reflex, you have to provide the name of that type of reflex, cite its caracteristics and argue for its application on the movements seen in the Z-film.

It’s not me who have to explain how it was not so.

Get it?
 
manifesto said:
Fore the sake of argument, WHAT is causing JFK’s heads violent thrust backwards, if not an incomming bullet from the front?
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All of the energy of the bullet is focused on the exit wound at the front of the head. By then the bullet had shattered, and all of the kinetic energy is directed toward the inner wall of the skull where the fragments blasted through, pushing the head backward.

Same principle in whiplash, it's why you hurt your neck instead of break your nose.
 
manifesto said:
If YOU claim that the movements of JFK in connection to the shot in Z312/3 can be explained by some sort of reflex, you have to provide the name of that type of reflex, cite its caracteristics and argue for its application on the movements seen in the Z-film.
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Dude...I did that already. Are you just planning on ignoring it?
 
Axxman300 said:
All of the energy of the bullet is focused on the exit wound at the front of the head. By then the bullet had shattered, and all of the kinetic energy is directed toward the inner wall of the skull where the fragments blasted through, pushing the head backward.

Same principle in whiplash, it's why you hurt your neck instead of break your nose.
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Is this your pseudo scientific way of claiming that the backward thrust seen in the Z-film was caused by a so called ”jet-effect”?

Like the one described by Luis Alvarez?
 
manifesto said:
Unfortunally, lots of humans find it proper to kill each other with firearms and have done so for more than half a millenia still counting.
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Well yes, a lot of people have been shot. OTOH, a pretty small percentage of those actually had movies or videos taken of the process. An even smaller percentage of those were shot in the exact location of the brain that Kennedy was shot. In fact, I think it's very likely that we are now down to a sample of one. I certainly don't claim to know for sure that Kennedy's movement was a neuromuscular reaction to being shot, but I do think it's a very reasonable hypothesis. Given other evidence that he was shot from the rear, and only the rear, it's a much more reasonable hypothesis than that it resulted from being shot from the front.
No one, to my knowledge, have reacted like JFK did as caused by a nerve reflex from a bullet in the head or any other place in the body.

You know more than I do?
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Well, I can only answer that question based on what you have posted in this thread, but on that basis, I would say yes, yes I do know far more than you about just about any topic you would care to name. But, also based on what you have posted in this thread, I would say that's a mighty low bar, so I ain't braggin'. In any event, "to your knowldedge" isn't much of a basis for any kind of meaningful conclusion.
Show me.
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manifesto said:
There are lots of explained human trauma reflexes described in the scientific litterature spaning at least the last couple of centuries of human slaughtering each other.

War, executions, crime, accidents, etc. Well covered.
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Not a lot of doctors on the battle field, or who are witnesses to murder.

They only get the bodies well after the fact.

Thanks to the battlefield, the Italians stayed with the 6.5x52mm Carcano because the bullet was powerful enough to pass through at least two bodies.

Plus, board rules prohibit us from posting links to the many videos online of people being shot.
 
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Keeping score: We've moved from "The x-rays are fake" to the ridiculous "Back and to the Left" nonsense.

Here's a thought,

Instead of standing up teams of photographic manipulators to alter the hundreds of pictures and the home movies of the assassination; why not just plant the Carcano and the spent shells behind the white picket fence, and frame Oswald with witnesses (who could easily see a gunman behind the fence were one actually there)? It's a short walk from the TSBD, and a shorter run back to the building's loading dock.

Too easy?;)
 
manifesto said:
So, why are you responding to my post directed to bknight as if it was directed at you?

Split personality?

Or are all the members of the Mighty Church as ”one” in faith?
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Just wondering why you continue asking questions for which you've already been provided the answers.
 
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