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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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I’m saying that most of the witnesses who was asked, 52 of them, said that the shots came from the knoll.

So, in my theory, those witnesses are unreliable and wrong, because I have all the shots coming from the Depository. Right?

And in your theory, those witnesses are unreliable and wrong, because you have the shots coming from multiple sources, and they only named one source. Right?

Hank
 
ou have been told that there is a bit harder to keep exact count of the exact number of shots in a tumultous situation than it is to register the general direction from where one or more shots are fired from. In the case of Adams she was inside the building and therefore maybe exposed to the knoll shot more than to the TSBD/DalTex shots and therefore thought that all came from the knoll.

In fact, the opposite is true.

The number of shots fired is easy to remember because you can "play back" that experience even with no visual cues. However playing back the direction from which shots are fired is much more difficult because the visual cues and important.
 
Hello Hank. If he was told later that the shots was fired from the TSBD, why was he wrong when he first thought that the shots came from the opposite side of the street?

- ”Well, first I thought that the shots came from the TSBD but later on I was told that the shots actually came from the, TSBD”?

Are you willfully making a fool of yourself on a public forum, Hank?

If so, why?

Need a verifiable* link to that supposed quote. You said you would cite for your claims.

Hank
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* Not a conspiracy source.
 
And "the railroad tracks" doesn't mean of necessity the knoll. He could be referencing the overpass which was west of the building as well.

So this is another witness where Manifesto's conspiracy source is just begging the question by counting Arce as a knoll witness. Keep up the good work.

Hank
The railroad tracks are behind the picket fence on the knoll. The tripple underpass railway bridge is the trippel underpass railway bridge.

1. You admitted that Adams was a ”knoll witness”

2. You are saying that Altgens first thought that the shots came from the TSBD but changed his mind when told that the shots actually came from the, TSBD? Correct?

3. You are arguing that ”the railway tracks” is a code word Arce is using for ”the tripple underpass bridge”? Correct?

Looks like Hank is in good shape for his usual acrobatics, doesn’t it, Hank?
 
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Ok, lets back up a little bit. The argument was that only ”13%” of the witnesses in Dealey Plaza said that the shots came from the knoll.

I’m saying that most of the witnesses who was asked, 52 of them, said that the shots came from the knoll.

Are you disputing this?

Show me.

If you don't like the way I'm arguing, or the questions I'm asking, or anything else you are free to ignore me as you have done at other times. Answer or don't I simply do not care.
 
The railroad tracks are behind the picket fence on the knoll. The tripple underpass railway bridge is the trippel underpass railway bridge.

3. You are arguing that ”the railway tracks” is a code word Arce is using for ”the tripple underpass bridge”? Correct?

The overpass has railroad tracks on top of it. So we don't know for sure where he was indicating. Correct? Either way three shots not five. Only one direction.
 
The overpass has railroad tracks on top of it. So we don't know for sure where he was indicating. Correct? Either way three shots not five. Only one direction.
Yes we do know for sure. If he meant the railway tracks on the tripple underpass, he would have said ”the tripple underpass”, because that is what it’s called. Instead, he said simply ”the railway tracks”, which are found behind the picket fence on the knoll.

Whereto everybody was running to see if they could catch a glimpse of the assassin.
 
If you don't like the way I'm arguing, or the questions I'm asking, or anything else you are free to ignore me as you have done at other times. Answer or don't I simply do not care.
Good. Let me know if you find anyone on Galanors list of 52 knoll-witnesses that you think shouldn’t be there and I help you out, ok?

Good.
 
Yes we do know for sure. If he meant the railway tracks on the tripple underpass, he would have said ”the tripple underpass”, because that is what it’s called. Instead, he said simply ”the railway tracks”, which are found behind the picket fence on the knoll.

Whereto everybody was running to see if they could catch a glimpse of the assassin.

Mind reading noted!
 
HSCA performed tests on Dealey Plaza with blind folded subjects trying to decide from where shots where fired. Everyone succeded every time.

It’s a sunny day and the president with wife is passing by. Suddenly all hell brakes loose, gunshots are fired and the presidents head explodes. You start counting the shots? One, two, three, four ... ?

Or you take cover remembering the most pregnant ones? The were two bursts. First three shots with tightly spaced than silence in ca five seconds and then a second burst with two shots even tighter together.

My guess is that it sounded like around three shots and that they gave a conservative guesstimate instead of risking losing face if they were too frivolous.

And, there is the problem of:

1. How is the interview done? What questions were made. What questions were NOT made.

2. Were there any intimadation or manipulating of witnesses making them conform to the official narrative?

There are reports of that.

So the tests were performed from multiple directions and everyone got it right. None of them said all shots were from only one direction?

Did any of the tests have quick shots in succession to see if they could be discerned properly?
 
No, you are wrong. The factoid that says that the open mike was at the Trade Mart when picking up the sound from five rifle shots in Dealey Plaza, has been shown what it is, a factoid.

The RNC ”synchronized” the recordings on cha-1 and cha-2 with a cross talk too far away from the five impulse pattern = too much accumulated ”dead air”. If synched with cross talk closest to the patterns, ”I’ll check it”, the match is perfect.

The cross-talk WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE ON AN OPEN TRANSCEIVER. If it was stuck open you cannot receive or hear incoming radio communications...and yet they are on the recording. Channel 1 is audible on this recording of Channel 2. That only is possible by an officer at the Trade Mart whose mike is open, and recording the sound of Channel 1 being played over a loudspeaker, which is what happened.

No. If the head moves back and to the left, the momentum from the incomming bullet has to travel from in front from the right —-> from the knoll.

That's not what the physics says, and it's not what the autopsy says. Only stupid people say this.

216 Witnesses

52 Knoll

48 Depository

5 Knoll & Depository

4 Elsewhere

37 Could Not Tell

70 Not Asked

The HSCA says 20%. You've quoted a CT-Loon site.


Btw, no one smelled any gunpowder on the 6th floor in TSBD. None.

The Carcano cartridge doesn't use gunpowder. The Carcano uses Solenite. Which you'd know if you did any real research.

No gun is smokeless. Some more some less but none is smokeless.

I'll let that one stand on its own merits.

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Congratulations, you have circled a tree and bush. Not smoke. Do your homework.

Neuro surgeons? Senior trauma physichians? Every single one of the witnesses had some training in observing, identifying and handling life threatening trauma and every single one had the same hallucination? Three different hospitals, two different federal police agencies?

Collective psychosis?

No, you've just cherry-picked quotes like any other hack CTist.

No, you do not have to be a pathologist to identify a BIG GAPING WHOLE in the back of a head, big as a grapefruit. I child are able to see that.

There isn't one.

Weigh this with a couple of photographs and x-rays easy to fake. Which alternative is the heaviest?

And yet at the HSCA everyone involved signed off on the x-rays and photos as being authentic.

There is more, but start with this.

Name the frames where ”we” get a clear view of the back of JFK’s head: http://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

333 through 382.


What? If the Harper fragment could have been blown of by a shot from behind, why is there not any sign of it in the x-rays? Not even a fracture in the occipital region of the cranium?

Explain.

Oh, you've seen all the x-rays? There are only a handful that have been made public, so how'd you pull that one off? I'm guessing you have not.

These are the conditions to view the autopsy materials at the National Archives:

The autopsy photographs and X-rays of President Kennedy were donated to the National Archives by the Kennedy family by an agreement dated October 29, 1966. This agreement limits access to such materials to: (1) persons authorized to act for a Committee of Congress, a Presidential Commission, or any other official agency of the Federal government having authority to investigate matters relating to the assassination of President Kennedy and to (2) recognized experts in the field of pathology or related areas of science and technology whose applications are approved by the Kennedy family representatives, Nicole Seligman and Kevin Baine .

This means that you have no idea what all of the x-rays show.

Correct. No proof of an entrance wound, but strong evidence of an entrance wound.

Small hole in the back of the skull, big hole in the right front top.

Only an exhumation will conclusively show what it was.

So the mighty CIA didn't think of this one in advance? Interesting.

The autopsy doctors had orders NOT to brobe any wounds for possible trajectories.

You know they don't usually do that, right?

More? How about fake Secret Service agents on Dealey Plaza shortly after the shooting? One behind the picket fence flashig his fake ID to the cops comming up there looking for the shooter.

Except he was a Treasury Department agent, but whatever.

This is also ”hilarious”?

It's like the old Pink Panther movies.;)
 
So the tests were performed from multiple directions and everyone got it right. None of them said all shots were from only one direction?

Did any of the tests have quick shots in succession to see if they could be discerned properly?
The tests was made to see if echoes could confuse the subjects regarding from where a rifle shot was fired in Dealey Plaza. No, it couldn’t.

The acoustic investigation of the dictabelt recording was done in order to find out exactly how many shots were fired and from where, since the witness testimonies were all over the place.

I firmly believe this obvious confusion was per design. Created by the ’investigators’ in order to surpress the real events and muddy the waters.

One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
 
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
One assassin. Three shots. From the TSBD. Period.
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Wellcome to a brave new world.
 
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