Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I wonder if you could cause fumes from an acrylic, like cyanoacrylate, to polymerize from vapor phase? Introduce an inert gas into, or pull a vacuum on vapors in a chamber to cause polymerization in the absence of oxygen?

Well, the video shows them forming in the air, and it's unlikely that they had someone in a spacesuit (or even just an oxygen mask) doing the filming, so I'd say it's unlikely that it's just happening in a vacuum (or oxygen-depleted environment).

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

It seems to me that it's one thing to opine that what we're seeing is nonsense that has nothing to do with hydrinos, but another altogether to be able to say "that looks exactly like what happens with chemical reaction x". The former is almost certainly true, but the latter is a much stronger argument, in the same way that saying "the way that reactor is said to work is nonsense therefore what we're seeing isn't a reactor in action" is a weaker argument than "the way that reactor is said to work is nonsense and that looks exactly like an arc welder, therefore what we're seeing isn't a reaction in action".

I see your point but don't think it applies because this one video is not an isolated claim. In the context of Brilliant Light Power believers the argument you're asking for is simply a Whack a Mole argument. You'll just have to do it over and over again for every video they come up with. I think it's better to point out why this video, due to it's source, can't be taken seriously. Don't pretend the burden is on you to demonstrate why this is wrong, that's the appearance that helps BLP maintain the scam.

 

[ferd burfle]

Well, the video shows them forming in the air, and it's unlikely that they had someone in a spacesuit (or even just an oxygen mask) doing the filming, so I'd say it's unlikely that it's just happening in a vacuum (or oxygen-depleted environment).

I assumed I was looking into a chamber of some kind so I'll have another look at the video. They are careful never to show any visual context or details of the setup in their video; just the gee-whiz feature they're trying to promote.

ETA: Doh! Now I see you point about vacuum.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

You'll just have to do it over and over again for every video they come up with.

Well, we don't have to do anything. I think, however, it would be the sceptical thing to do to attempt to demonstrate that each claim is wrong - or can be replicated by other methods - on its own merits.

I think it's better to point out why this video, due to it's source, can't be taken seriously.

James Randi didn't disprove Uri Gellar's various claims by saying that they came from Uri Gellar, but by demonstrating that, for example, bending spoons is an old magician's trick that's accomplished through misdirection, or that it's trivially easy to move a compass by hiding a magnet up your sleeve. He could have just said "I showed that spoonbending doesn't require psychic powers, therefore I don't need to talk about magnets", but I don't think that would have been a great argument.

Don't pretend the burden is on you to demonstrate why this is wrong, that's the appearance that helps BLP maintain the scam.

The burden is on him to provide evidence, and then anybody can assess that evidence in whatever way is possible, if they wish.

And besides all of that, I don't know about anybody else, but I think it's interesting. I think the majority of people posting in this thread will agree that what we're looking at has nothing whatsoever to do with hydrinos, but aren't you interested in what it actually is? Isn't trying to explain the unknown kind of why most of us are on this board? Isn't that what scepticism, as a movement, is about? Isn't discussing the scientific nature of things what this particular subforum is about? I've never seen anything quite like it before, and things that I've never seen before interest me. I find it gratifying to explain them or have them explained.

I also think finding out what this particular chemical reaction most likely is may offer some interesting insight. I mean, if we can work out what it likely is, then that may allow us to work out how likely it is that it's something that Mills & co discovered by accident as a side-effect of however they're setting up their experiments and so incorporated into a video or two, or whether it's an effect Mills or someone working for him already knew about (or found out about from some external source) and deliberately set about trying to replicate. I think that would be interesting in and of itself.

I'm generally curious about things. This is something I'm curious about. I'm honestly a little surprised that I seem to be the only one.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

I get the interesting problem part. Don't happen to share it for this particular case, but I certainly get it.

 

[Blue Mountain]

So while Mills and BLP are furiously looking for a way to convert heat energy into electricity, NASA has just completed a test of a small nuclear reactor (U-235) to do just that: Demonstration Proves Nuclear Fission System Can Provide Space Exploration Power

​Kilopower is a small, lightweight fission power system capable of providing up to 10 kilowatts of electrical power - enough to run several average households - continuously for at least 10 years. Four Kilopower units would provide enough power to establish an outpost
...
For more information about the Kilopower project, including images and video, visit:
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/kilopower

 

[Hungry81]

So while Mills and BLP are furiously looking for a way to convert heat energy into electricity, NASA has just completed a test of a small nuclear reactor (U-235) to do just that: Demonstration Proves Nuclear Fission System Can Provide Space Exploration Power

Ahhh so thats why Mills couldn't get his thermal exchange whosiwhatits and dynamic dynamo coolerising etceteraisators, that would solve the heat problem, NASA has no doubt bought the entire stock and paid off the companies and patent offices with taxpayer funds to prevent Mills from advancing. I guess Mills will have to go back to the drawing board

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Bah, clearly you know NASA is lying. Why if a genius like Mills cannot discover how to turn a source of heat in to power, then no one can.

 

[markie]

So while Mills and BLP are furiously looking for a way to convert heat energy into electricity, NASA has just completed a test of a small nuclear reactor (U-235) to do just that: Demonstration Proves Nuclear Fission System Can Provide Space Exploration Power

Using thermal energy (from nuclear power or combustion) to drive a Stirling engine to generate electricity is nothing new. Stealth submarines use this.

Mills of course is well aware of the methods to convert thermal energy to electricity. For instance this is from Mills et al from 2012

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ed_reactor_based_on_hydrogen_catalyst_systems

The conversion of thermal power to electrical power requires the use of a heat engine exploiting a cycle such as a Rankine, Brayton, Stirling, or steam-engine cycle

BLP has not yet attained a working Suncell even for generating thermal energy. (This awaits a completed ceramic version of Sun-cell which apparently doesn't have to be enclosed in a larger pressure vessel.)

In parallel BLP is also working on a novel kind of magneto hydrodynamic drive (MHD) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_drive
which would generate electricity directly rather than indirectly. They have already filed patent applications for this iirc.

A MHD would be the ideal because the hydrino reaction itself is highly ionizing due to the high energy light released from hydrino formation. The opposite charges are separated with a magnetic field and an electric current is generated from this. If you think NASA's development is exciting just wait.

 

[Prometheus]

<snip> just wait.

Has Mills ever offered anything else?

 

[Horatius]

Has Mills ever offered anything else?

I'm not sure if this is the one markie meant, but he's applied for another patent:

GAMMA-RAY AND TRI-HYDROGEN-CATION COLLISIONAL ELECTRON BEAM TRANSDUCER

Of course, I'm not sure what that title has to do with the main independent claim:

CLAIMS

1. An apparatus for providing lift from a gravitating body, comprising:
a free electron;
means of applying energy to said free electron;
means of forming a pseudoelectron, wherein a repulsive force away from a gravitating mass is created;
means of applying a field to said pseudoelectron; and
a repulsive force developed by said pseudoelectron in response to said applied field is impressed on said means for applying the field in a direction away from said gravitating body.

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2018031934&redirectedID=true

If you click around there, you can download a pdf copy of the Written Opinion of the International Search Authority, which usually forms the basis for the International Preliminary Report on Patentability. The last paragraph on the last page is of particular interest, where the examiner discusses the industrial applicability of the claimed subject matter.

Let's just say that it's extremely uncommon for an examiner at the WO/IPRP stage to argue that all the claims on file lack industrial applicability.


ETA:

here are the other independent claims:

21. An apparatus for providing repulsion from a gravitating body, comprising
a pseudoelectron which experiences a repulsive force in the presence of the gravitating body; and
means for applying a field to the pseudoelectron,
wherein a repulsive force is developed by the pseudoelectron in response to the applied field and is impressed on said means for applying the field in a direction away from the gravitating body.

22. A method of forming pseudoelectrons comprising the step of providing at least one free electron;
providing an X-ray or gamma ray beam; and
providing the intersection of said at least one electron and X-ray or gamma ray beam such that the at least one electron forms at least one pseudoelectron.

 

[Kid Eager]

It’s never that the idea or tech is wrong, it’s just that Mills is always waiting on something....

As for him being able to do anything with MHD, pull the other one. He’s just setting up for the next pivot to distract from the trail of incompetency/perfidy he’s leaving behind

 

[Hans]

Has Mills ever offered anything else?

Well you have to hand it to Mills - 'Wait" is something he has provided in vast quantities. I suspect if there was a igNoble reward for creating useless WAIT he might win it.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

(This awaits a completed ceramic version of Sun-cell which apparently doesn't have to be enclosed in a larger pressure vessel.)

Sadly no Markie. It awaits the actual discovery of an actual hydrino. Something we must all wait forever for due to it not existing at all.

When all else fails, go back to basics. Has Mills ever ever ever in his 30+ years of work on hydrinos ever actually detected a single hydrino ever? The answer is no. He had a hypothesis that hydrinos were the cause of some anomalous readings he had on some equipment he was using. Period! The hypothesis has been falsified formally and repeatedly.

There is absolutely no evidence hydrinos exist. Period. There is actually a ton of evidence hydrinos can not exist. Period.

This means the default position is that hydrinos don't exist. They are a figment of Mills imagination. He is welcome to try and falsify this default position with evidence, but he has failed repeatedly.

So you can just forget about any hydrino based technology. It's a fraud, a hoax, a scam, a myth, or just wishful thinking; take your pick. But in any case it certainly isn't reality.

 

[hgus]

Never mind that this is all probably bunk. Can you really get a patent unless you have a finished working invention? That sounds to me like you could patent intentions!?

But having filed for patent sounds impressive to some I guess.

 

[Mike!]

Never mind that this is all probably bunk. Can you really get a patent unless you have a finished working invention? That sounds to me like you could patent intentions!?

But having filed for patent sounds impressive to some I guess.

It is. Just mentioning I have a patent blows a great many people's minds.

 

[sts60]

So while Mills and BLP are furiously looking for a way to convert heat energy into electricity, NASA has just completed a test of a small nuclear reactor (U-235) to do just that: Demonstration Proves Nuclear Fission System Can Provide Space Exploration Power

NASA successfully tested a nuclear reactor in space (SNAP-10A) back in, IIRC, 1965. NASA has been working on Stirling convertors for a long time, too; a project to fly an advanced convertor heated by Pu-238 isotope decay was shelved some years ago, although the convertors themselves stayed on long-term test with electric heaters at Glenn Research Center.

Of course, static conversion with RTGs has been providing ultra-reliable, if not particularly efficient, power for decades. Even longer than Mills has been running his scam, and just as reliably as sheeplike suckers fall for it.

 

[Dave Rogers]

January 2017:

This is no longer a debate about theory. This is a fully working prototype that's dumping out enough power to VAPORIZE 1/4" thick tungsten rods within seconds. No power source known to man is capable of doing that.

May 2018:

BLP has not yet attained a working Suncell even for generating thermal energy.

Spot the discrepancy.

Dave

 

[The Man]

Using thermal energy (from nuclear power or combustion) to drive a Stirling engine to generate electricity is nothing new. Stealth submarines use this.

Mills of course is well aware of the methods to convert thermal energy to electricity. For instance this is from Mills et al from 2012

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ed_reactor_based_on_hydrogen_catalyst_systems



BLP has not yet attained a working Suncell even for generating thermal energy. (This awaits a completed ceramic version of Sun-cell which apparently doesn't have to be enclosed in a larger pressure vessel.)

In parallel BLP is also working on a novel kind of magneto hydrodynamic drive (MHD) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_drive
which would generate electricity directly rather than indirectly. They have already filed patent applications for this iirc.

A MHD would be the ideal because the hydrino reaction itself is highly ionizing due to the high energy light released from hydrino formation. The opposite charges are separated with a magnetic field and an electric current is generated from this. If you think NASA's development is exciting just wait.

How is the magnetic field generated?

 

[markie]

There is absolutely no evidence hydrinos exist. Period. There is actually a ton of evidence hydrinos can not exist. Period.

You say that, and yet:

For over 25 years Mills has left an undeniable trail of experimental evidence to show the hydrino exists. Spectral signatures from hydrino formation, tests confirming hydrino end product, large excess heat from calorimetry tests, controlled tests showing necessity of both atomic hydrogen and predicted catalysts. All in vast range of conditions: gas, plasma, aqueous, and solid environments and with results that have been validated by others and in accord with a predictive theory.