Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

[manifesto]

Nope, it's not nearly that much.

A couple of frames within 2.24 - 2.25 are clearly showing the head + helmet just above the president limo windshield.

How tall is the white blob?

Tall? You mean the hight? A head + helmet higher than the president limo windshield.

Doesn't matter anyway. The spot with the red arrow that claims to show a wheel actually shows something long and straight and white passing behind the legs of the bystanders on Houston street. No chance that's a motorcycle. If its a vehicle at all, it's the bottom trim of one of the white follow up cars.

I have to admire your laser eye-balling. I hardly see anything at the tip of the red arrow, only something that seem to move in the same speed as the white blob ——> same vehicle.

Since the white blob is at least one head + helmet higher up than car-6 who is the only known vehicle occupying the spot behind car-5, process of elimination say it is a motorcycle cop, and again, process of elimination says this cop has to be McLain.

 

[traxy]

Reynolds was shot in the head after making his witness statement to the FBI and making a positive ID on Oswald.

 

[RoboTimbo]

process of elimination says this cop has to be McLain.

Do you have an eyewitness who identified it as McLain?

 

[traxy]

A couple of frames within 2.24 - 2.25 are clearly showing the head + helmet just above the president limo windshield.

Tall? You mean the hight? A head + helmet higher than the president limo windshield.

I have to admire your laser eye-balling. I hardly see anything at the tip of the red arrow, only something that seem to move in the same speed as the white blob ——> same vehicle.

Since the white blob is at least one head + helmet higher up than car-6 who is the only known vehicle occupying the spot behind car-5, process of elimination say it is a motorcycle cop, and again, process of elimination says this cop has to be McLain.

You do have a vivid imagination.

Here is the stabilized Z film at frame 133. Look at the height of the white SS follow up car rolling up to the intersection against the people in front of it. - https://imgur.com/a/IO2Z0dm

Compare it to your white blob - https://imgur.com/a/8ufGvyi

Pretty much exactly the same height.

 

[Whip]

Do you know why McAdams disinformation allways comes up as the first hits when searching for anything connected to the JFK assassination?

this is a blatant lie. it's nowhere to be seen if I search 'JFK assassination' but only conspiracy theory sites come up with it if I specifically search 'McAdams disinformation'. but you already knew that.

 

[manifesto]

Do you have an eyewitness who identified it as McLain?

It?

 

[manifesto]

Reynolds was shot in the head after making his witness statement to the FBI and making a positive ID on Oswald.

He did not positively ID Oswald to the FBI. Two days later he got shot in the head and after recovering he testified to the Warren Commission that he after all could identifie the running guy as Oswald.

He also told the Commission that he was convinced that that the attempted murder of him was connected to him being witness to the aftermath of the killing of Tippit.

There is also reports from private investigators that Reynolds was sure the running guy was NOT Oswald.

 

[manifesto]

this is a blatant lie. it's nowhere to be seen if I search 'JFK assassination' but only conspiracy theory sites come up with it if I specifically search 'McAdams disinformation'. but you already knew that.

You missed the little word ”connected” here? Willfully?

If so, who’s the liar?

 

[manifesto]

You do have a vivid imagination.

Process of elimination is a very useful tool in our speices behavioral tool box. Vital to our daily struggle in making sense of the world we inhabit.

You should try doing without it.

Here is the stabilized Z film at frame 133. Look at the height of the white SS follow up car rolling up to the intersection against the people in front of it. - https://imgur.com/a/IO2Z0dm

Compare it to your white blob - https://imgur.com/a/8ufGvyi

Pretty much exactly the same height.

Car-6 is a convertible. No white roof and at least as low as the president limo which is one head + helmet lower than a cop on a bike.

 

[manifesto]

Aren't you glad we have the murder weapon he used to kill Officer Tippit still on him at the movie theater where he tried to murder more officers with it when they cornered him?

Do you have a credible eyewitness to someone else murdering Officer Tippitt with Oswald's gun and then giving the gun back to Oswald so he could attempt to murder more officers?

Maybe you should ask one of your little blue idiot smileys what kind of evidence there is for:

1. Oswald owning the alleged murder weapon?

2. Oswald having it on him when arrested?

3. Oswald trying to murder the arresting officer?

4. Oswald shooting/killing Tippit?

5. The alleged murder weapon being the actual murder weapon?

Say hello from me.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Maybe you should ask one of your little blue idiot smileys what kind of evidence there is for:

1. Oswald owning the alleged murder weapon?

2. Oswald having it on him when arrested?

3. Oswald trying to murder the arresting officer?

4. Oswald shooting/killing Tippit?

5. The alleged murder weapon being the actual murder weapon?

Say hello from me.

1. Other than the photographs of him holding it? You have supplied no evidence of tampering, ergo, they remain valid as evidence.
2. Other than the chain of custody? You offer no evidence of falsehood, ergo the chain shows the pistol was taken from him at his arrest.
3. The chain of custody above, witness testimony, and the inconvenient fact that, despite his claims not to be resisting arrest, Oswald had a gun in his hand, taken from him. IIRC we can even add the minor injury sustained by the officer taking the gun from Oswald when he had to block the firing hammer to avoid being shot.
4. All of the above, the cartridges from Oswalds gun being found by the scene of the crime, Oswald being seen fleeing from the scene, etc, as discussed here and elsewhere in the thread.
5: The matching of shells and bullets. As you have yet to offer evidence these tests were flawed, the ballistics still stand.

You keep questioning evidence that was discussed at considerable length, with you, and before you joined the threads.

It would be much simpler if you accepted how and why these are the null, and offered YOUR counter evidence.

 

[smartcooky]

<ad hominem snipped>... what kind of evidence there is for:

1. Oswald owning the alleged murder weapon?

The evidence: Oswald was photographed with the weapon beforehand. Gun experts have stated unequivocally that the weapon on Oswald's hip in this photograph is the same brand and model of weapon that he was arrested with, a Smith & Wesson .038 snub nose revolver.

What you have failed to do: Prove your claim that the photograph was fabricated.

2. Oswald having it on him when arrested?

The evidence: The statement of the arresting officer DPD Officer Maurice Neal McDonald

What you have failed to do: Prove that the arresting officer was lying.

3. Oswald trying to murder the arresting officer?

The evidence: The statement of the arresting officer DPD Officer Maurice Neal McDonald

What you have failed to do: Prove that the arresting officer was lying.

4. Oswald shooting/killing Tippit?

The evidence: Two eyewitnesses - Helen Markham and Jack Tatum - saw Oswald shoot Tippit. Three others - William Scoggins, Barbara Davis, and Virginia Davis - were in the immediate vicinity and saw Oswald flee the scene. Six other eyewitnesses - Ted Callaway, Sam Guinyard, B.M. Patterson, L.J. Lewis, Harold Russell, and Warren Reynolds - were within two blocks of the shooting and saw Oswald brandishing a pistol, attempting to conceal it, and fleeing the area. Their statements and reports have be repeatedly posted by others here.

What you have failed to do: Impugn the credibility of any of the witnesses. In order to do so, you must prove they were either lying or mistake. You have spectacularly failed to do either.

5. The alleged murder weapon being the actual murder weapon?

The evidence:
a. The revolver Oswald was holding when he was arrested was proven to have fired the four .38 calibre shells recovered at the murder scene to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

b. Ballistics experts showed that the bullets removed from the body of Officer Tippet had class characteristics of five lands and five grooves, with a right twist; the same as the revolver.

c. The bullets also exhibited similar microscopic scratches found on test bullets fired from Oswald's revolver.

d. The bullets showed signs of gas erosion, caused by escaping propellant slipping between the bullet's surface and the inside of the barrel of the gun, a fact consistent with the type of weapon Oswald was arrested with

e. Ballistics expert, Joseph D. Nichol, testified that there were sufficient markings on one of the bullets to conclude that it had been fired in Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons.

What you have failed to do:Disprove a single item (a thought e) listed above. You have provided now evidence to show that these ballistics experts were wrong.

Summary:
That you have suspicions is not enough and is not evidence; you have to prove them.
That you believe evidence is being suppressed is not enough; you have to prove it.
That you believe that evidence has been fabricate is not enough; you have to prove it.

 

[abaddon]

Well that's a no-brainer. White helmet = space alien, because aliens cannot breathe our atmosphere. Elvis provided the soundtrack.

Operating out of Area 51, no doubt, where "they" are busily working on faking the next moon landing and depopulating the planet while constructing the bunkers to protect the elites from planet Nibiru which will be destroying the earth in 2012 after the Y2K bug made all the planes crash in 2018.

 

[manifesto]

Operating out of Area 51, no doubt, where "they" are busily working on faking the next moon landing and depopulating the planet while constructing the bunkers to protect the elites from planet Nibiru which will be destroying the earth in 2012 after the Y2K bug made all the planes crash in 2018.

I’m not the one claiming it was a UFO, I’m saying it has to be the white helmet of a motorcycle cop, and that the cop has to be McLain. By process of elimination.

You are claiming it was a UFO?

 

[RoboTimbo]

It?

, link?

 

[manifesto]

1. Other than the photographs of him holding it? You have supplied no evidence of tampering, ergo, they remain valid as evidence.

What photograph?

2. Other than the chain of custody? You offer no evidence of falsehood, ergo the chain shows the pistol was taken from him at his arrest.

3. The chain of custody above, witness testimony, and the inconvenient fact that, despite his claims not to be resisting arrest, Oswald had a gun in his hand, taken from him. IIRC we can even add the minor injury sustained by the officer taking the gun from Oswald when he had to block the firing hammer to avoid being shot.

It seems to be different and contradicting stories of this event. Some say that the arresting officer blocked the firing hammer and some say the gun missfired with a dent in the hull to prove it.

Which one is it?

4. All of the above, the cartridges from Oswalds gun being found by the scene of the crime, Oswald being seen fleeing from the scene, etc, as discussed here and elsewhere in the thread.

What cartridges was found by whom and where is the secured chain of custody?

5: The matching of shells and bullets. As you have yet to offer evidence these tests were flawed, the ballistics still stand.

Matched by whom?

You keep questioning evidence that was discussed at considerable length, with you,

When and where?

and before you joined the threads.

Well, since I was not active then, how could I be aware of what was said and by whom.

Again, do you have good info, in the thread or elsewhere, cite it and argue for its veracity. I can’t do it for you.

It would be much simpler if you accepted how and why these are the null, and offered YOUR counter evidence.

Of course it would. For you and your fellow members of the Mighty Church.

If your ”Null” is built on bogus and highly dubious evidence, it isn’t a ”Null” is it.

 

[manifesto]

, link?

CIA’s Phoenix Program?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Maybe you should ask one of your little blue idiot smileys what kind of evidence there is for:

1. Oswald owning the alleged murder weapon?

Not only do you not know anything about the assassination, you can't even read the things people post here to try to educate you .

2. Oswald having it on him when arrested?

True, he did.

3. Oswald trying to murder the arresting officer?

True, he did.

4. Oswald shooting/killing Tippit?

You are correct, he did.

5. The alleged murder weapon being the actual murder weapon?

You are correct, it was.

Say hello from me.

Hello from you

idiot smileys

 

[RoboTimbo]

I’m not the one claiming it was a UFO, I’m saying it has to be the white helmet of a motorcycle cop, and that the cop has to be McLain. By process of elimination.

You are claiming it was a UFO?

It?

 

[Tomtomkent]

CIA’s Phoenix Program?

You forgot the link