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The Trump Presidency VII

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Planigale said:
From wikipedia (I'll assume you accept this as a neutral source).
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Given that Wikepedia says whatever the last person to edit the article says,I would say it is very unreliable as a source.

And you reallhy can't see why Israel is so scared when a regime that has, time and time again, sworn to destroy it ,tries to become a Nuclear Power?
I don't like Bibi at all, but I think Israel has every right to be concerned.
But then I suspect that Israel has no rights in your books,period.
I also love this whole routine about why Shiite religious wackjobs are better then Sunni religious wackjobs.
 
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dudalb said:
Maybe if Trump and GOP start behaving in a traditional way instead of seeming like they are intent on turning the US into a Authoritarian One Party State the Dems would start behabing more normally.
Your blindness to why Dear Leader is scaring the hell out of us with his Authoritarian ideas, and the way the GOP is n lock step with him is truly astonighing, and leads one to believe that a dictatorship where only White Males have a meaningful role is what you really want.
And you ignore the way some conservative, like George Will and Jennifer Rubin, have turned on Trump.
And the way you don't even want to discuss the corruption in the Trump Presidency, or his racism, or the way he is didviding this country on racial lines, is also remarkable.
And I don't EVER want to hear your side call a Democrat "morally unfit" for political office again. You have totally thrown that out the window
As for the pool, it generic ballot goes up and down like a ping pong ball. Most political anylists are still predicting a bad year for the GOP.
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You sure got a lot out of a simple post about "The Resistance", which started before Trump had found his parking place in D.C. as I recall. In any case, George Will, Bill Kristol, and the rest of the Never-Trumpers don't speak for us Deplorables. They easily match the popularity of those two nitwits who are on MSNBC every morning. That ping pong ball has been going straight down for the Dems since February. I never called any Dem "morally unfit". Trump's "racism" and "corruption" are figments of your imagination. Anyway, wasn't the Dems' plan to stop calling us racists, xenophobes, homophobes, etc.? (Not because you don't actually believe it, but because it didn't work, just like it didn't work in Europe with Brexit.)
 
God, the corruptin of the Trump admnstration is a figment of my imagination when I see headlines about a Trump official in hot water for improproties every day?
And someone who calls neo Nazis "good People" is not a racist, or is not using racism as a political tool?
And when you Trump supporters stop acting like bigots, I will stop calling you bigots.
And you just proved my point about your blind faith in Dear Leader.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
You sure got a lot out of a simple post about "The Resistance", which started before Trump had found his parking place in D.C. as I recall. In any case, George Will, Bill Kristol, and the rest of the Never-Trumpers don't speak for us Deplorables. They easily match the popularity of those two nitwits who are on MSNBC every morning. That ping pong ball has been going straight down for the Dems since February. I never called any Dem "morally unfit". Trump's "racism" and "corruption" are figments of your imagination. Anyway, wasn't the Dems' plan to stop calling us racists, xenophobes, homophobes, etc.? (Not because you don't actually believe it, but because it didn't work, just like it didn't work in Europe with Brexit.)
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You are 100% in error.

Good job?
 
Regnad Kcin said:
You are 100% in error.

Good job?
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Don't you know every story unfavorable to Trump is "fake news!".
That is the response I am sure we will get to all the stories about a Trump official being in hot water for wants amount to Bribery from people wanting favors from them.
But I now firmly believe the real reason the die hard Trump Supporters support Trump is because they thinks he will turn the clock back to when White Males held a monopoly on power and influence in the US. I note that sooner or later every die hard Trump Supporters begins ranting about "Third World Peoples infesting the United States"....
And their failure to ever admit that Trump is capable of error is also telling.
 
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dudalb said:
I disagree. I think the religious fantacism in the Iranian Government is greater then you want to believe.
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Than I "want to believe"? Look, Iranian history is a big interest of mine. The modern state was FOUNDED (in the 16th century) on Twelver Shi'ite radicalism. I'm well aware of the deep roots that has.

Contrary to fanatical actions dressed up in moderate rhetoric, I see a lot of ruthless pragmatism dressed up in religious language. Khamene'i was not chosen as Khomeini's heir for his religious credentials (which were not that impressive) but for his skill as a militant revolutionary. Why was that? Because Khomeini had a falling out with the religious establishment, where he was never very popular to begin with, and promptly had a part of the constitution he himself had drafted rewritten. Yet that establishment remains an important power base as it always was.

Not to erase the importance of Islam, but the ideology of Wilayat-e Faqih should be understood as political radicalism dressed up in religious terms, not the other way around.

You make the mistake of identifying Khamenei's and Khomeini's radicalism with the views of the clergy in general. In fact, there was and is an entire range of opinions there.

Iran currently supports Hezbollah for the same reason the USA suppirted the Mujahideen in the 80's, mutatis mutandis - geopolitics. Maybe Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter were Islamic fanatics too?
 
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dudalb said:
Given that Wikepedia says whatever the last person to edit the article says,I would say it is very unreliable as a source.

And you reallhy can't see why Israel is so scared when a regime that has, time and time again, sworn to destroy it ,tries to become a Nuclear Power?
I don't like Bibi at all, but I think Israel has every right to be concerned.
But then I suspect that Israel has no rights in your books,period.
I also love this whole routine about why Shiite religious wackjobs are better then Sunni religious wackjobs.
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Israel is a political entity, there is a difference between wanting to destroy Israel and threatening to kill Israelis.

Because Trump says bad things is not a justification to kill US citizens. Because an Iranian politician shoots his mouth off this does not make it reasonable to kill Iranians who are committing no crime. Most Israelis under 40 are reserve members of the IDF, this does not make them legitimate targets.

An unarmed Palestinian who slaps an Israeli soldier is a terrorist, an unarmed Palestinian who approaches one of the fences is a terrorist. But planting car bombs in the middle of a city is not. Double standards?
 
At a reception for Military Wives, Trump claims that the pay rise he gave them is the first for ten years!

Why does he keep telling blatant whoppers like that?
 
dudalb said:
God, the corruptin of the Trump admnstration is a figment of my imagination when I see headlines about a Trump official in hot water for improproties every day?
And someone who calls neo Nazis "good People" is not a racist, or is not using racism as a political tool?
And when you Trump supporters stop acting like bigots, I will stop calling you bigots.
And you just proved my point about your blind faith in Dear Leader.
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I suppose you missed the quote of Joe Biden saying how code breaking decades ago wasn’t that hard. His proof was the government hired a bunch of ladies from the hood. Go ahead and look it up if you haven’t heard.

It’s another one of those stupid things people get caught saying without thinking. Trump has made the same mistakes. Your side continuing to use as proof of him being a racist just gets more people inclined to vote against your extreme beliefs.
 
dudalb said:
God, the corruptin of the Trump admnstration is a figment of my imagination when I see headlines about a Trump official in hot water for improproties every day?
And someone who calls neo Nazis "good People" is not a racist, or is not using racism as a political tool?
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That's fake news right there! Trump never called neo-Nazis "good people".

He called them "very fine people".

See how the left wing is always getting things wrong?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
At a reception for Military Wives, Trump claims that the pay rise he gave them is the first for ten years!

Why does he keep telling blatant whoppers like that?
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Because his supporters eat it up. And he really doesn't care enough to learn and remember details, when he can get by with self aggrandizement.
 
dudalb said:
ANother example of "I am so not apologizing for Iran" rhetoric.
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Gulf money backing Sunni fundamentalism hasn't destablisied the Middle East rhetorically but very palpably in recent times. Iran may not be the "good guy" but it's a better guy than the bad one.
And as for Hamas not being a Terrorist group:
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It's a political movement with some history of terrorism, rather like Sinn Fein really, and indeed Likud.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Because his supporters eat it up. And he really doesn't care enough to learn and remember details, when he can get by with self aggrandizement.
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Reality is most normal people don’t pay attention to it because every politician does it. Trumps problem is every dem and leftist have this derangement syndrome going on.
 
CapelDodger said:
Gulf money backing Sunni fundamentalism hasn't destablisied the Middle East rhetorically but very palpably in recent times. Iran may not be the "good guy" but it's a better guy than the bad one.
It's a political movement with some history of terrorism, rather like Sinn Fein really, and indeed Likud.
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Or the ANC, and yet people seemed to like people who found the right kind of terrorist group like Nelson Mandela.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
You sure got a lot out of a simple post about "The Resistance", which started before Trump had found his parking place in D.C. as I recall. In any case, George Will, Bill Kristol, and the rest of the Never-Trumpers don't speak for us Deplorables. They easily match the popularity of those two nitwits who are on MSNBC every morning. That ping pong ball has been going straight down for the Dems since February. I never called any Dem "morally unfit". Trump's "racism" and "corruption" are figments of your imagination. Anyway, wasn't the Dems' plan to stop calling us racists, xenophobes, homophobes, etc.? (Not because you don't actually believe it, but because it didn't work, just like it didn't work in Europe with Brexit.)
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This post reconfirms something for me: that many people voted for Trump for no other reason than to give the middle finger to liberals.
 
portlandatheist said:
This post reconfirms something for me: that many people voted for Trump for no other reason than to give the middle finger to liberals.
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And probably without really knowing why they hate "Libs" so much.
I don't think it's the classic differences between Liberals and Consravatives over things like fiscal policy, the size or role of government, etc, about which intelligent people can disagree and not hate the other guy;it more pure tribalism.
The guys attack on George Will is indicative: It's all about mindless hatred of your opponent and blind worship of Dear Leader. That Trump is flying in the face of classic Republican Conservatism in matters like free trade goes right by them.
 
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