Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

[traxy]

I’m almost certain that Oswald was telling the truth when he stated that the photo was a fabrication with his head superimposed on the body of another individual and that he could prove how it was done.

Nonsense.

A panel of experts for the HSCA examined each of the backyard photos, including a first-generation print and one negative that was recovered.

The negative was unaltered and was proven to have been taken with the Oswald's Imperial Reflex camera to the exclusion of ALL OTHER CAMERAS.

Here is their analysis of the backyard photos.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol6/html/HSCA_Vol6_0077a.htm

The photo is of Oswald and he's holding the murder weapon in his hands. Furthermore, he signed one of the prints and that signature was matched to him by handwriting experts.

So now we have proof that Oswald possessed the murder weapon in March of 1963.

 

[Disbelief]

What? If the photos were taken well before the assassination it just says that Oswald could have been groomed well before the actual event.

How does that fit with your near certainty that his head was superimposed on someone else's body to fake the photograph?

 

[manifesto]

What is this evidence? How is it better than:

Mariana's testimony that she took the pictures.

Do you mean the same Marina who:

1. First denied that she took the picture?

2. Then agreed that she took one, but only one picture?

3. Then agreed that she took two, but only two pictures?

3. Lifted the alleged camera up to her eye, when showing how she took the pictures in spite of it being a box camera which is hold against the stomac looking down in it from above?

4. That was considered an extremely unreliable witness by both the WC and later, the HSCA beacause she lied, forgot, changed her mind, remembered, forgot, contradicting her self, etc, so her testimony ”read like a nightmare”?

5. That was held in what amounted to house arrest isolated from the rest of the world living under threat of being expelled (or worse) back to the Sovjet union with her two baby daughtets, if she didn’t testify as expected to do?

Is this the same Marina you are talking about?

The matching of the negative to her camera to the exception of all other cameras in the world.

It wasn’t her camera and yes, there are ways to get around that too.

The analysis of the film grain that showed there was no tampering.

Same here, there are ways around this.

 

[manifesto]

How does that fit with your near certainty that his head was superimposed on someone else's body to fake the photograph?

The photos were taken of another guy and the superimposed Oswalds head on it.

Why does it matter when the photos were taken?

 

[Disbelief]

The photos were taken of another guy and the superimposed Oswalds head on it.

Why does it matter when the photos were taken?

Because you were saying he was groomed, which means there would be no need to fake photographs - just have him pose with the weapons.

 

[manifesto]

Nonsense.

I’m still waiting for you to explain why the ”LIMO” is way down Elm Street and therefore shielded from where Hughes is filming in the Z-150 frame that you synchronize with H-648 frame where the same ”LIMO” is clearly visible.

Do you have any answer to this or shall we at last conclude that, no, there is no exact conclusive synch between the two films and therefore plenty of time for McLain to reach said spot in time for picking up the sound from the first shot?

 

[traxy]

Do you mean the same Marina who:

1. First denied that she took the picture?

2. Then agreed that she took one, but only one picture?

3. Then agreed that she took two, but only two pictures?

3. Lifted the alleged camera up to her eye, when showing how she took the pictures in spite of it being a box camera which is hold against the stomac looking down in it from above?

4. That was considered an extremely unreliable witness by both the WC and later, the HSCA beacause she lied, forgot, changed her mind, remembered, forgot, contradicting her self, etc, so her testimony ”read like a nightmare”?

5. That was held in what amounted to house arrest isolated from the rest of the world living under threat of being expelled (or worse) back to the Sovjet union with her two baby daughtets, if she didn’t testify as expected to do?

Is this the same Marina you are talking about?

It wasn’t her camera and yes, there are ways to get around that too.

Same here, there are ways around this.

The science backs up her version of events.

The photos were taken with the family camera. That's a fact.

The photos are unaltered. That's a fact.

Since the photos show Oswald, it's safe to assume he didn't take them. Who else lived in that house at that time? Marina Oswald.

I don't give a **** if she can't remember exactly how the camera worked. The balance of evidence shows that she took the photos.

 

[manifesto]

Because you were saying he was groomed, which means there would be no need to fake photographs - just have him pose with the weapons.

That is also my contention. There is two possible scenarios which doesn’t demands that Oswald owned the weapon and therefore probably was guilty of the assassasination.

1. The photos are fake.

2. It is Oswald in the photos believing he is working on his US Intel legend as a commie rebel ready to, lets say, join the revolution in Cuba as an infiltrator. The weapons, clothing and photographing was provided by his handlers, but for different reasons, to be groomed as a patsy in the comming assassination of JFK.

If I have to chose, I chose number 1.

 

[manifesto]

I don't give a **** if ...

I’m still waiting for you to explain why the ”LIMO” is way down Elm Street and therefore shielded from where Hughes is filming in the Z-150 frame that you synchronize with H-648 frame where the same ”LIMO” is clearly visible.

Do you have any answer to this or shall we at last conclude that, no, there is no exact conclusive synch between the two films and therefore plenty of time for McLain to reach said spot in time for picking up the sound from the first shot?

 

[CORed]

4 shooters, in fact. Remember, manifesto insists that there were 4 shots from the 6th floor of the sbd. Two of them were too close together to be from 1 weapon So their must be 2 people shooring

Well, apparently only one of that veritable army could actually shoot well enough to hit the target. Hell, the rest of them might as well have been shooting blanks, since they not only didn't hit JFK, they left no bullets or shell casings anywhere in the vicinity to be found. It's almost as if they didn't exist at all.

 

[traxy]

I’m still waiting for you to explain why the ”LIMO” is way down Elm Street and therefore shielded from where Hughes is filming in the Z-150 frame that you synchronize with H-648 frame where the same ”LIMO” is clearly visible.

Do you have any answer to this or shall we at last conclude that, no, there is no exact conclusive synch between the two films and therefore plenty of time for McLain to reach said spot in time for picking up the sound from the first shot?

My mistake, I clipped off the line describing what that picture actually shows. It's just showing what vehicles are common to both videos, not the actual synchronization point.

https://imgur.com/a/FXDZIuL

It's also a collage of different images. The limo appears 4 times in that picture.

In addition to the white SS car as a sync point, there are 6 additional sync points in different films. Would you like them all?

Start on page 33 of Myers report. Unfortunately it is protected and I can't copy and paste out of it.

 

[Disbelief]

That is also my contention. There is two possible scenarios which doesn’t demands that Oswald owned the weapon and therefore probably was guilty of the assassasination.

1. The photos are fake.

2. It is Oswald in the photos believing he is working on his US Intel legend as a commie rebel ready to, lets say, join the revolution in Cuba as an infiltrator. The weapons, clothing and photographing was provided by his handlers, but for different reasons, to be groomed as a patsy in the comming assassination of JFK.

If I have to chose, I chose number 1.

Rather convoluted way to get things done and makes your conspiracy that much more likely to be discovered. Wouldn't it be simpler just to groom someone to actually perform the assassination? No need for faking anything that way.

 

[pgwenthold]

Nonsense.

A panel of experts for the HSCA examined each of the backyard photos, including a first-generation print and one negative that was recovered.

The negative was unaltered and was proven to have been taken with the Oswald's Imperial Reflex camera to the exclusion of ALL OTHER CAMERAS.

Here is their analysis of the backyard photos.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol6/html/HSCA_Vol6_0077a.htm

The photo is of Oswald and he's holding the murder weapon in his hands. Furthermore, he signed one of the prints and that signature was matched to him by handwriting experts.

So now we have proof that Oswald possessed the murder weapon in March of 1963.

The level of evidence that is accepted by the CTists....

"The photographic analyst with the Canadian Department of Defense who had stated that there was evidence of fakery in these photographs was also contacted by the committee. He indicated that he had performed no scientific tests on the photographs and had spent less than an hour examining the "very poor copies" that were submitted to him."

So which CT author relied on him?

 

[manifesto]

My mistake, I clipped off the line describing what that picture actually shows. It's just showing what vehicles are common to both videos, not the actual synchronization point.

https://imgur.com/a/FXDZIuL

So, the image doesn’t show H-648 and Z-150?

It's also a collage of different images. The limo appears 4 times in that picture.

What? Where?

In addition to the white SS car as a sync point, there are 6 additional sync points in different films. Would you like them all?

Start on page 33 of Myers report. Unfortunately it is protected and I can't copy and paste out of it.

One a the time. Which ”sync point” is it that you find most convincing?

Start with that.

If it is protected, name the two frames (Z and H) where the sync supposedly are to be found.

 

[manifesto]

Well, apparently only one of that veritable army could actually shoot well enough to hit the target. Hell, the rest of them might as well have been shooting blanks, since they not only didn't hit JFK, they left no bullets or shell casings anywhere in the vicinity to be found. It's almost as if they didn't exist at all.

At least two shooters. One from behind with an automatic rifle and one from in front on the knoll. Two shooters from behind if non automatic rifles were used = three shooters all in all.

There are no info on the quality of the shooters, no.

 

[traxy]

So, the image doesn’t show H-648 and Z-150?

It shows a mashup of a few different frames in that single image. It's just illustrating which vehicles are present in both films.

What? Where?

Um...just follow my original link slick.

https://imgur.com/a/hP5lUd4

See the 4 different iterations of the limo?

One a the time. Which ”synch point” is it that you find most convincing?

Right here.

https://imgur.com/a/1m8H174

The same spot I provided video evidence for a couple pages ago. The same spot I conclusively proved there was not 2 seconds of leeway for.

 

[manifesto]

Rather convoluted way to get things done and makes your conspiracy that much more likely to be discovered. Wouldn't it be simpler just to groom someone to actually perform the assassination? No need for faking anything that way.

It is an ancient trick to use a patsy in order to ”through the public off”, to take the blame for the real assassins.

Oswald was an almost perfect choice.

 

[manifesto]

It shows a mashup of a few different frames in that single image. It's just illustrating which vehicles are present in both films.

No. It is just two different frames, the H-648 on top and Z-150 under. I checked them out and no they do not sync.

Um...just follow my original link slick.

https://imgur.com/a/hP5lUd4

See the 4 different iterations of the limo?

No. I see the ”LIMO” turning down on Elm in the middle of the intersection in the H-648 frame.

In the Z-150 frame the same ”LIMO” is way down Elm and not visible from where Hughes is filming H-648.

They are NOT in sync. How come?

Right here.

https://imgur.com/a/1m8H174

The same spot I provided video evidence for a couple pages ago. The same spot I conclusively proved there was not 2 seconds of leeway for.

Ok, the upper frame is Z-150, so what Hughes frame is the lower?

 

[traxy]

No. I see the ”LIMO” turning down on Elm in the middle of the intersection in the H-648 frame.

https://imgur.com/a/hP5lUd4

The "LIMO" in the Z frame appears 4 different times. Once in the yellow circle labelled "LIMO", once just about to go behind the Stemmons sign, once behind the Stemmons sign, once a few feet past the Stemmons sign.

That image is only meant to show what vehicles are common to both films. It's not showing the sync points. It's an amalgamation of several different frames composited together...unless you think there were 4 Kennedys rolling down Elm Street that day.

This is the actual synchronization point.

https://imgur.com/a/1m8H174

The presidential limo isn't in view at this point in the Hughes film. It is in view in Zapruder, at frame 150.

What is in view is the white SS vehicle (still on Houston street, about to begin its turn) and the car in front of it (fully in the Elm-Houston intersection).

BOTH of those vehicles are in the same position in BOTH films.

Synchronization.

 

[kookbreaker]

Oswald was an almost perfect choice.

So perfect he actually performed the asassination.

Doesn’t anyone know how they could fake a film negative in the early 60’s?