No, I’m saying that 3000 rpm is not incompatible with the known speeds of the motorcade on Main and Houston.
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I’m not saying that McLain’s Harvey was idling at 3000 rpm, I’m saying that 3000 rpm is not incompatible with the known speeds of the motorcade on Main and Houston.
It seems to me that you and RoboTimbo are suffering under the same delusion, that little blue idiot smileys are enough to refute just about anything not your liking.Asking the same question again doesn't reinforce anything except my point -- you haven't shown either to be true.
You haven't established the microphone was in the right places at the right times.
You haven't established there were shooters with weapons firing the requisite five shots at the right time from the right locations.
When do you intend to start?
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Great! So you agree that the motorcycle in question was running at around 3000 rpm for at least two minutes and the rpm was fairly stable. Now could you tell me what you think the rpm would do if there were any gear shifts during that time? Would the rpm's remain stable? I think the answer is no. Which leads me to the assumption that the motorcycle in question was in the same gear the whole time. You would certainly see a shift in the sound pattern would you not? This further leads me to the assumption that second and third gear at those rpm's would be incompatible the motorcade speed. So that leaves us with 1st gear at 3000 rpm's for at least two minutes on an air cooled motorcycle engine. Does this make any sense to you? I am not asking for proof mind you just your opinion. Your initial thought was that it was not right and you acknowledged it as raising serious questions about the acoustical evidence of the bike being Mclain's. Then after watching a youtube video of a completely different bike that does not show anywhere what the rpms were at any given moment. You then deleted your acknowledgment and have no further doubts.
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My first thought was that 3000 rpm was a little high for a Harley but then I looked around and found the one idling at that same rpm and it sounded perfectly natural. Yes it is easy to change gear while keeping the same rpm if you know your bike, no problems, and the Main is a long stretch of road needing no changes in speed. The Main/Houston intersection was 90˚ and easy to keep a smooth turn around. That changed at the Houston/Elm intersection though, with an almost 45˚ turn making a severe traffic jam and here is where the rpm goes down and staying down as long as McLain remained on Elm before accelerating towards the underpass.
A perfect match with the shooting sequence.
There is another reason for driving along with a relatively high rpm in a parade and that is to avoid back firing, although some of the officers allegedly back fired the bikes willfully in order to scare the president whom they did not like.
No, the rpm studie for what it is worth doesn’t refute the acoustic evidence, on the contrary, it is corroborating it, judging from what I have read and seen so far.
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I’m quoting Donald Thomas:
The end of the Hughes film, and the beginning of the Zapruder sequence, both show Car-5 entering the intersection at Elm and Houston. Thus, the Hughes sequence with McLain appears to start at about the same time that Zapruder's sequence begins, plus or minus a couple of seconds. These seconds are crucial.
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Given your best estimations brought the open mic several seconds short of the first recording position, and your interpretation of the rpm does not allow for a sudden rush of acceleration to account for the open mic surging down the order of the procession, those seconds would be vital *if* you could show them to be there... but you failed to even engage with the points actually being made when the overlap was shown, by tossing out irrelevant terms, which suggests you understand perfectly why this scuttles your arguments and are trying to find wriggle room around it.
Let me know what you think of the 15 to 17 minute time frame.
OK, so we agree that both videos show the white SS car entering the intersection at Houston and Elm.
Good.
Here is the sequence stabilized in slow motion:
https://youtu.be/Sqk3sdfXFkc?t=55
The entire turn onto Elm takes less than 3 seconds. Since we agree that the Hughes and Zapruder films show the white SS follow up car beginning it's turn, there is not 2 seconds of difference between synchronization points in the 2 films.
I'll illustrate what I'm talking about.
Here is the last instant that shows the white SS follow up car pointed straight on Houston street in both films.
Hughes - https://imgur.com/a/GSkHxR4
Zapruder - https://imgur.com/a/XPZRhM9
This is a reasonable synchronization spot. The white SS car has not entered the intersection yet in either film, it's wheels are still relatively straight in both places. Note that HB McLain has not yet come into view in the Hughes film.
Now, if what you and Don Thomas are saying is true, I should be able to roll one of the films forward 2 full seconds and have that frame indistinguishable from the film I leave static. Let's test that theory, roll the Z film forward 36 frames (just a hair under 2 seconds of real time) and see if that frame can still seen as a reasonable synchronization spot for the Hughes film which we leave static.
Here is the original Hughes film spot again:
https://imgur.com/a/GSkHxR4
Here is the Zapruder film + 2 seconds:
https://imgur.com/a/kyuWvB7
I'm not even going to play coy with you. There is no synchronization at all when we do this. Not even close. The Hughes film shows the white SS follow up car still completely on Houston street with wheels pointed straight. Zapruder + 2 seconds LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THIS. It is fully in the intersection and turned very obviously to the left.
There is no "plus or minus a couple seconds". Don Thomas is wrong. You are wrong.
Thus, there is not even close to enough time for McLain to make it 174 feet.
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You should look at the Trade Mart because that's where the open police microphone was.
No, I pointed out two PROVEN uncertainties in Myers proclamations.
1. The Z-frame for the first shot +/- almost a second
2. The position of Hughes +/- 1.5 second
That makes Myers half second a possible almost 3 seconds.
Add to that the unknown speeds and positions of the vehicles on Houston and you have to Add at least another 2 - 3 seconds and, voilà, McLain had ample time, +/- 6 seconds to reach the spot where the open mike had to be in order to pick up the sound from the first shot.
Again, rpm ≠ speed, and it is easy to change speed with gears and brakes without changing rpm.
I quote Thomas again:
Because there are no depicted events indisputably common to both films, the key to establishing synchronization between the Hughes film and the Zapruder film are the motorcade vehicles, such as Car-5, but also the press cars on Houston Street. Because the press cars are in all instances further along the route in the Zapruder film than they are in the Hughes film, the real variable, and in essence the critical unknown, was the speed of the motorcade during the un-filmed interval.
The critical unknown = speed of the motorcade during unfilmed interval = +/- 3 seconds adding to the earlier established ca +/- 3 seconds = +/- ca 6 seconds = ample time for McLain to reach the spot of the first shot = the photographic record does not refute the acoustic evidence.Period.
Here is the spot that Dale Myers syncs the 2 films.
https://imgur.com/a/hP5lUd4
The same spot I've provided you advanced a couple frames in the Hughes film. There is no "plus or minus a couple seconds" gap between those spots. Not even close.
https://imgur.com/a/hP5lUd4
The same spot I've provided you advanced a couple frames in the Hughes film. There is no "plus or minus a couple seconds" gap between those spots. Not even close.
Prove it.
Axxman300
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It's not Alverez's theory. It's physics.
The head snapping in the same direction the bullet comes from is something they brief you on in sniper school.
It's not something that's even in dispute by any physicist. Ask anyone who's had whiplash.
This article has a wonderful explanation of all the fun things that happen when you take a bullet to the head:
https://kotaku.com/5798102/giz-explains-what-happens-when-you-get-shot-in-the-head
Axxman300
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They did. All they had to do was listen to Channel 1, and then overlay it on Channel 2, and low and behold the two recordings matched.
That shouldn't have happened because Channel 1 was dedicated to the rest of DPD communications while Channel 2 was dedicated to the motorcade.
You lose.
Look at the ”LIMO” in your depiction. How can it be in Hughes cameras line of sight when way down on Elm obstructed by the concrete ornaments lining Houston?
I believe that you are confused by the angles in the Houston/Elm intersection. It is not an ordinarie 90˚ turn, it is like turning around a ”V”, making the turn much longer thereby creating the illusion that car-5 is further in the turn than it actually is.
Look at the ”LIMO”.
Good. Show me.
Quote relevant parts and explain.The head snapping in the same direction the bullet comes from is something they brief you on in sniper school.
It's not something that's even in dispute by any physicist. Ask anyone who's had whiplash.
This article has a wonderful explanation of all the fun things that happen when you take a bullet to the head:
https://kotaku.com/5798102/giz-explains-what-happens-when-you-get-shot-in-the-head
What?
So, why did it ”happened”? If it happened?That shouldn't have happened because Channel 1 was dedicated to the rest of DPD communications while Channel 2 was dedicated to the motorcade.
You lose.
Axxman300
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This underlines your ignorance about US History, and political power in general.
Dulles would never have participated in the assassination of any US President because as DCI he would have as many enemies as allies within CIA. Someone would have gone public and he'd know that. Plus, the man was a patriot.
LBJ was a career politician, but a coward which was embodied in his well known bullying. Johnson believed in a conspiracy thinking Cuba was behind it, and feared that once the "truth" came out the American people would seek revenge.
Johnson's belief in conspiracy is the main reason you and other CTist waste their lives on this subject.
Hoover would never kill JFK. Hoover held power in D.C. because of his use of the FBI to blackmail politicians from low level Congressmen to almost every President. JFK was a blackmailer's dream come true with his womanizing alone, and would have been a golden calf to Hoover.
Worse, the assassination gave the FBI a black eye because Oswald was one of only 9 defectors to the Soviet Union to return to the US, and the FBI Dallas office dropped the ball on surveillance. At the very least James Hosty should have made a point to be in the TSBD following Oswald around until JFK was out of Texas.
After the assassination the FBI destroyed Hosty's life even though he'd only been doing what he had been told to do, which was watch Marina.
This is yet another reason why there was no conspiracy. Oswald was the FBI's responsibility, and the fact that he got by them every step of the way - because the FBI Dallas office was lazy - would automatically make the Bureau a suspect in the killing if by some chance it could be proven that they were not lazy. They should have got in his face when he bought the rifle.
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