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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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manifesto said:
Here is a 39 minutes lecture by Donald Thomas. I highly recomend you have a look at it and if any questions, lettin me know.

https://youtu.be/7W_qgeHG7bw
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My earlier statement:
Sonalyst analyzed the RPM's from the tape and found that the motorcycle with the stuck mike ran for approximately 2 min. 48 sec. mostly at 3000 RPM up to 12 sec before the last shot "impulse" for the HSCA placement. This would be way too fast for Mclain traveling with the motorcade down Main street coming to Houston.

From the relevant portion of the video:

"Now andybody whose acutally had a motorcycle knows that theres ever not a really good correlation, but, never the less its reasonable to say that the motorcycle is humming along here"

This does not even attempt to explain the problem. I can only assume he knows that it shatters the idea that Mclain is the one with the open mic. Did you have anything else?
 
jeffas69 said:
My earlier statement:
Sonalyst analyzed the RPM's from the tape and found that the motorcycle with the stuck mike ran for approximately 2 min. 48 sec. mostly at 3000 RPM up to 12 sec before the last shot "impulse" for the HSCA placement. This would be way too fast for Mclain traveling with the motorcade down Main street coming to Houston.

From the relevant portion of the video:

"Now andybody whose acutally had a motorcycle knows that theres ever not a really good correlation, but, never the less its reasonable to say that the motorcycle is humming along here"

This does not even attempt to explain the problem. I can only assume he knows that it shatters the idea that Mclain is the one with the open mic. Did you have anything else?
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I do not understand what in Sonolyst’s report that you are refering to as ”shatters the idea that McLain is the one with the open mic”.

You know that rpm ≠ speed, right?
 
manifesto said:
I do not understand what in Sonolyst’s report that you are refering to as ”shatters the idea that McLain is the one with the open mic”.

You know that rpm ≠ speed, right?
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What speed would you suppose that the motorcycle would have at a mostly sustained rate of 3000 RPM for at least two minutes?
 
manifesto said:
It depends on the gear doesn’t it, but I agree, if true this would severely question the acoustic evidence.

Do you have a link to the Sonolyst studie?
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Pick any gear you like and make a guess. When you get done go to the other side of the "shots" and see if you can show me where Mclain was supposed to be going high speed to catch up with the motorcade and either pass it or fade back.

This is what I have been looking at.

https://www.thekennedyhalfcentury.com/pdf/Kennedy-Half-Century-Audio-Research.pdf
 
manifesto said:
I have no such qualifications, no. Better yet, YOU name a known nerve reflex from trauma that can account for JFK’s head movement’s when hit by a bullet in Z-312.
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I posted testimony from a wound ballistics expert. Did you not read it? It was literally right there.

I can provide you with sources of information until I'm blue in the face, you have to actually follow through and read some of them.
 
Wow, I hit the button to re quote you and thank you for the acknowlegement and it disappeared. Still caught it though.
Now, does this mean you are no longer interested in the Sonalyst study since you pulled the request?
 
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manifesto said:
Define, ”beginning”.
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You still haven't answered my true/false question regarding the Hughes and Zapruder films. I thought this would be a layup for you.

Let's try one more time.

True or false, the sections of the Hughes and Zapruder films I posted both show the white SS car at the intersection of Houston and Elm beginning to turn left (that is, going from rolling straight forward to turning to the left)
 
jeffas69 said:
Pick any gear you like and make a guess. When you get done go to the other side of the "shots" and see if you can show me where Mclain was supposed to be going high speed to catch up with the motorcade and either pass it or fade back.

This is what I have been looking at.

https://www.thekennedyhalfcentury.com/pdf/Kennedy-Half-Century-Audio-Research.pdf
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Again, rpm ≠ speed. It all depends on the gear. You can possibly make inferences from charp decline/increase in rpm, but not making any conclusive observations.

That said, when plotted against the HSCA timeline it perfectly fits the shooting with sharp drop in rpm just before arriving at the Houston/Elm intersection, idling for exactly as long unitil when McLain is seen accelerating down towards the tripple underpass.

For what it’s worth.
 
manifesto said:
Again, rpm ≠ speed. It all depends on the gear. You can possibly make inferences from charp decline/increase in rpm, but not making any conclusive observations.

That said, when plotted against the HSCA timeline it perfectly fits the shooting with sharp drop in rpm just before arriving at the Houston/Elm intersection, idling for exactly as long unitil when McLain is seen accelerating down towards the tripple underpass.

For what it’s worth.
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You cant make any inference from a sustained 3000 RPM for over two minutes?
 
manifesto said:
She clearly picks up something from the trunk before sliding back into the limo back seat.[emphasis added]
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HSienzant said:
Where is this made clear?
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manifesto said:
You disagree?
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Not an answer. Where is this claim of yours made clear as you claimed?

I'm asking for your evidence. You got any?

Or continue to attempt the shift the burden of proof. If I say I disagree, you'll tell me to prove Jackie had nothing in her hands. I know all the CT tricks - I've been debating the JFK assassination for nearly 30 years online, and it's not my job to disprove CT assertions. Never was, never will be.

Where's your evidence for your claim?

Right, you don't have any. It's ok, you can admit it. We all know it.

Hank
 
jeffas69 said:
Pick any gear you like and make a guess. When you get done go to the other side of the "shots" and see if you can show me where Mclain was supposed to be going high speed to catch up with the motorcade and either pass it or fade back.

This is what I have been looking at.

https://www.thekennedyhalfcentury.com/pdf/Kennedy-Half-Century-Audio-Research.pdf
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I believe it is you who have to show that the 3000 rpm is incompatible with known speeds of the motorcade at Main and Houston.

My first thought was that it seemed a bit high for a Harley but then I had a look at this one supposedly idling standing still at 3000 rpm.

https://youtu.be/AIvSoi8eW0M

It could very well be a sweet spot for McLain’s Harley, using the gears and brakes when needing to adjust the speed as the motorcade traveled through Dallas.

Thank you for the link, I’ll read the paper in a short while.
 
manifesto said:
- Is there a qualitative difference regarding ”conditional upon” between shooters at the right spots at the right times vs. the open mike at the right spots at the right time?
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Asking the same question again doesn't reinforce anything except my point -- you haven't shown either to be true.

You haven't established the microphone was in the right places at the right times. ;)

You haven't established there were shooters with weapons firing the requisite five shots at the right time from the right locations. ;)

When do you intend to start? ;)

Hank
 
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I believe it is you who have to show that the 3000 rpm is incompatible with known speeds of the motorcade at Main and Houston.

My first thought was that it seemed a bit high for a Harley but then I had a look at this one supposedly idling standing still at 3000 rpm.

https://youtu.be/AIvSoi8eW0M

It could very well be a sweet spot for McLain’s Harley, using the gears and brakes when needing to adjust the speed as the motorcade traveled through Dallas.

Thank you for the link, I’ll read the paper in a short while.
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Are you implying that Mclain's Harley idles at 3000 rpm? How does he get it down to 1000 RPM's in the other parts of the tape? Your first thought was correct I dont know why you decided to delete that thought after you posted it, because the Harley in the video is not Mclain's and it also does not say anywhere that it is idling at 3000 rpm's.
 
manifesto said:
To state something doesn’t magically make it so. If there is ”consilience” of evidence against Oswald, I’m still waiting for any of you to present al least some of it.
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It was presented. I asked you to rebut it. You told me to be patient.

I asked for your rebuttal numerous times -- at least five.

You told me to wait my turn.

Now you're pretending none of it was presented.

That will not fly.

Hank
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manifesto said:
I believe it is you who have to show that the 3000 rpm is incompatible with known speeds of the motorcade at Main and Houston.

My first thought was that it seemed a bit high for a Harley but then I had a look at this one supposedly idling standing still at 3000 rpm.

https://youtu.be/AIvSoi8eW0M

It could very well be a sweet spot for McLain’s Harley, using the gears and brakes when needing to adjust the speed as the motorcade traveled through Dallas.

Thank you for the link, I’ll read the paper in a short while.
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Here is a 1964 Harley. I'm quite sure it isn't idling at 3000 RPM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV_3CniyzJ4
 
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