Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

[bagels]

In habituated users, like Curatolo, who had been taking it for years, it hardly has any effect at all.

This is the paradox of addiction. Alchoholics once found alchohol drinking highly enjoyable. Now they have to drink, just to stop the delirious tremens.

It is very unlikely Curatolo was at all 'high', just merely functioning. Many live normal lives and hold jobs (cf Dr Harold Shipman, Keith Richards).

You seem to know very little about drugs. So, on 1 Nov 2007 Knox and Sollecito were off their head on drugs*, by their own account, whilst Toto was probably as sober as a judge sitting on his park bench.

*BTW marijuana bought from dodgy street sources can often be laced with psychedelics or have a potent level ot TCH (someone correct me). It is rubbish to claim it is always mild.

If you post enough about Toto maybe it will rise him from the grave and his worthless testimony will gain enough value to buy him another hit of smack.

 

[Stacyhs]

Speaking of lies, a well-known PGP today claimed on TJMK that David Marriot "sent a charter plane" for Knox when she left Italy in 2011. This is not the first time this lie has been told. In fact, Knox left Italy on a scheduled British Airways 747. On that plane, along with other passengers, were also journalists and paparazzi following her and her family but they were kept away by the flight attendants.

This lie will continue to be repeated as if it were fact along with other such whoppers as the Naparijini jacket, the cap w/ red stripe, and Sollecito being left-handed. To some PGP, truth has no place in their world when it doesn't support what they need to believe. "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself," should be the official PGP slogan.

 

[LondonJohn]

In habituated users, like Curatolo, who had been taking it for years, it hardly has any effect at all.

This is the paradox of addiction. Alchoholics once found alchohol drinking highly enjoyable. Now they have to drink, just to stop the delirious tremens.

It is very unlikely Curatolo was at all 'high', just merely functioning. Many live normal lives and hold jobs (cf Dr Harold Shipman, Keith Richards).

You seem to know very little about drugs. So, on 1 Nov 2007 Knox and Sollecito were off their head on drugs*, by their own account, whilst Toto was probably as sober as a judge sitting on his park bench.

*BTW marijuana bought from dodgy street sources can often be laced with psychedelics or have a potent level ot TCH (someone correct me). It is rubbish to claim it is always mild.

Please, please, please, please stop embarrassing yourself.

Look: YOU YOURSELF tried to correct Stacyhs by telling her that one cannot get "high" on heroin since it's a depressant - your "rationale" appearing to be that by definition one cannot get high on a depressant drug (a facile and totally wrong misunderstanding of what "high" actually means).

Do you accept that the above paragraph is a truthful account of what happened? Yes or no? (The correct answer is yes)

Next, you were shown a load of reliable evidence that YOU ARE WRONG: that it is indeed (and of course) entirely the norm for heroin users to experience a high.

And that should - for all intellectually-honest people, at least - be the end of the matter. You were wrong. You had a fundamentally wrong understanding of what "high" means in this context (amusingly you believed that only stimulant drugs ever produced highs ). Normal people would have either said nothing, or (much more favourably still, and intellectually-honestly) would have said something like "Oh OK, I was wrong to think that depressant drugs such as heroin did not produce highs for users. Sorry". Not you though, eh, Vixen....?

 

[LondonJohn]

If you post enough about Toto maybe it will rise him from the grave and his worthless testimony will gain enough value to buy him another hit of smack.

And I bet a certain low-intellect pro-guilt commentator would STILL wax lyrical about how good ol' Toto smelled......

 

[Stacyhs]

deleted double post. ISF 'quick reply' is having a few hiccups.

 

[LondonJohn]

Oh and I forgot to mention, Vixen, that you excelled yourself once more with Part 14,308 in a series entitled "Vixen tries to appear educated and jargon-excelling by using italicised Latin terms in posts, but hilariously spells the term incorrectly".]

(It's delirium tremens, Vixen - not "delirious tremens". Once again, we exhort you not to use "clever" terms which you either do not understand or cannot even properly spell.....)

 

[LondonJohn]

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[Stacyhs]

In habituated users, like Curatolo, who had been taking it for years, it hardly has any effect at all.

This is the paradox of addiction. Alchoholics once found alchohol drinking highly enjoyable. Now they have to drink, just to stop the delirious tremens.

It is very unlikely Curatolo was at all 'high', just merely functioning. Many live normal lives and hold jobs (cf Dr Harold Shipman, Keith Richards).

You seem to know very little about drugs. So, on 1 Nov 2007 Knox and Sollecito were off their head on drugs*, by their own account, whilst Toto was probably as sober as a judge sitting on his park bench.

*BTW marijuana bought from dodgy street sources can often be laced with psychedelics or have a potent level ot TCH (someone correct me). It is rubbish to claim it is always mild.

LOL! I think you mean delirium tremens. *

While it is true that heroin users develop a tolerance, this only means that they require more of it to get high. It does not mean they cannot get high. Long time alcoholics can still get drunk, they just require more alcohol to get the same effects.

Stop fibbing. Knox and Sollecito never said they were "off their head on drugs". They said they had smoked weed which caused their memories to be cloudy. No one has claimed it is "always mild", but it is a depressant and to think they smoked some weed and then just decided to go rape and murder Kercher is ludicrous. Their medical tests showed no narcotics so your crude attempt to introduce psychedelics into the equation holds no water.

*Edit: Ha, LJ! You beat me to it while I was typing. Is there any wonder we find her so amusing?

 

[LondonJohn]

Speaking of lies, a well-known PGP today claimed on TJMK that David Marriot "sent a charter plane" for Knox when she left Italy in 2011. This is not the first time this lie has been told. In fact, Knox left Italy on a scheduled British Airways 747. On that plane, along with other passengers, were also journalists and paparazzi following her and her family but they were kept away by the flight attendants.

Oh, well this is all part of the fatuous invention by pro-guilt commentators around the "$2 million" (or thereabouts) PR campaign waged by Gogerty Marriott on Knox's behalf....

Hilariously (and hugely tellingly, when it comes to analysing pro-guilt integrity, logic and intellectual capacity) the "calculations" behind this number appear (amazing as it might sound) to have been built on something like the following "reasoning": Gogerty Marriott has publicly stated that it has conducted large-scale multi-million-dollar PR campaigns on behalf of a few major multinational corporations based in/near Seattle. And if this is what Gogerty Marriott "does", then it's reasonable to conclude that Gogerty Marriott must also be conducting the same type of campaign - with the same type of notional dollar value - for Knox and her family.....


(I had meant to reply to your post of a couple of days ago, Stacy, saying I was sad to hear of the death of David Marriott. From what I know of what he did to assist Knox and her family - which was way, way below the ridiculous "PR supertanker" myth propagated by pro-guilt commentators, but which was nonetheless of significant help and support to Knox's parents (and, indirectly, to Knox herself) - he seems to have been a thoroughly decent and fair man.)


ETA: I've just seen which low-intellect idiot on another messageboard site made that stupid (and wholly invented) comment about Marriott sending the charter plane to collect Knox

 

[Stacyhs]

(I had meant to reply to your post of a couple of days ago, Stacy, saying I was sad to hear of the death of David Marriott. From what I know of what he did to assist Knox and her family - which was way, way below the ridiculous "PR supertanker" myth propagated by pro-guilt commentators, but which was nonetheless of significant help and support to Knox's parents (and, indirectly, to Knox herself) - he seems to have been a thoroughly decent and fair man.)


ETA: I've just seen which low-intellect idiot on another messageboard site made that stupid (and wholly invented) comment about Marriott sending the charter plane to collect Knox

The fact that people could see the BA 747 that brought Knox home in 2011 on both the news and on the internet won't stop this idiot from continuing to claim it was a chartered aircraft sent to "secure Knox' Knox's great escape". Can you imagine thinking they chartered a freaking 747 to fly a handful of people to the US? Logic a la PGP!

 

[Bill Williams]

The fact that people could see the BA 747 that brought Knox home in 2011 on both the news and on the internet won't stop this idiot from continuing to claim it was a chartered aircraft sent to "secure Knox' Knox's great escape". Can you imagine thinking they chartered a freaking 747 to fly a handful of people to the US? Logic a la PGP!

Remember - big media in the US only showed the exterior of that 747 in 2011. There is no evidence that there was anyone at all on that flight, other than flight crew.

It was obviously a hoax.

 

[Stacyhs]

Remember - big media in the US only showed the exterior of that 747 in 2011. There is no evidence that there was anyone at all on that flight, other than flight crew.

It was obviously a hoax.

Most certainly British Airways is owned by bent shills who belong to both the Mafia and the Masons.

 

[Bill Williams]

Most certainly British Airways is owned by bent shills who belong to both the Mafia and the Masons.

Oy vey. Talk about damning with faint praise! But seriously, I wonder if the anonymous person who posted what is below would define "most people"?

There is no evidence whatsoever that Mr Marriott did anything to disrespect anyone. There have been those in the guilter-PR campaign who have claimed such, but they are few. Definitely not "most people".

Commiserations to his family and friends. However, it is a shame that David Marriott will be best remembered for sending a charter plane to Italy to secure Knox’ great escape. The disrespect shown to the Kercher family and Italy, is what the Gogerty-Marriott misinformation & fake news PR will long be associated with in most people’s minds.

 

[Stacyhs]

Oy vey. Talk about damning with faint praise! But seriously, I wonder if the anonymous person who posted what is below would define "most people"?

There is no evidence whatsoever that Mr Marriott did anything to disrespect anyone. There have been those in the guilter-PR campaign who have claimed such, but they are few. Definitely not "most people".

"Most people" must be referring to the very few who still bother to write for or comment on TJMK. They and Quennell must be pining for their pre-March 2015 glory days when they still had some relevancy. I wonder who their next target will be? That much nastiness can't be contained.

 

[acbytesla]

The fact that people could see the BA 747 that brought Knox home in 2011 on both the news and on the internet won't stop this idiot from continuing to claim it was a chartered aircraft sent to "secure Knox' Knox's great escape". Can you imagine thinking they chartered a freaking 747 to fly a handful of people to the US? Logic a la PGP!

That and the fact that was a commercial flight and other passengers saw her on the flight. As she was filmed by the media in an international airport in Rome and moments after that flight touched down in Seattle, Amanda spoke in a press conference.

These people are Looney Tunes.

 

[Numbers]

Oh and I forgot to mention, Vixen, that you excelled yourself once more with Part 14,308 in a series entitled "Vixen tries to appear educated and jargon-excelling by using italicised Latin terms in posts, but hilariously spells the term incorrectly".]

(It's delirium tremens, Vixen - not "delirious tremens". Once again, we exhort you not to use "clever" terms which you either do not understand or cannot even properly spell.....)

LOL! I think you mean delirium tremens. *

While it is true that heroin users develop a tolerance, this only means that they require more of it to get high. It does not mean they cannot get high. Long time alcoholics can still get drunk, they just require more alcohol to get the same effects.

Stop fibbing. Knox and Sollecito never said they were "off their head on drugs". They said they had smoked weed which caused their memories to be cloudy. No one has claimed it is "always mild", but it is a depressant and to think they smoked some weed and then just decided to go rape and murder Kercher is ludicrous. Their medical tests showed no narcotics so your crude attempt to introduce psychedelics into the equation holds no water.

*Edit: Ha, LJ! You beat me to it while I was typing. Is there any wonder we find her so amusing?

The autonomous nervous system of guilters independently functions during posting, thus producing gems such as "delirious tremens".

 

[Bill Williams]

The autonomous nervous system of guilters independently functions during posting, thus producing gems such as "delirious tremens".

Or "Canuke", or "kimo sabe". Or the "<fx >" silliness.

It's more probable that this stuff is a false flag innocentisi campaign meant to make guilters look hateful and stupid.

ETA - you have to give Vixen "delicious tremens" though. It's a tasty dessert!

 

[codyjuneau]

Regarding Knox taking a shower, here is what Chiacchierra testified:

Judge Massei: Excuse me, do you know how many bathrooms there were in the house?
Chiacchiera: Two.
Judge Massei: Two bathrooms. Excuse me, please. Do you know that a shower was taken? Chiacchiera: Yes. Judge Massei: How do you know?
Chiacchiera: I know because it is a thing that I cannot, I believe, report because it was ….
Judge Massei: But you checked…?
Chiacchiera: I am trying to be very very careful.

Transcript February 27, 2009:

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This testimony has always puzzled me. Does anybody know or can think of a reason why Chiacchiera believes he cannot testify how or why he knows a shower was taken in Meredith and Amanda's bathroom the morning after the murder?

BTW, Briars, I hope this alleviates your concerns about Amanda saying she had a shower that morning. There was no reason to be upset after all.

Cheers
Cody Canuke
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[Stacyhs]

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This testimony has always puzzled me. Does anybody know or can think of a reason why Chiacchiera believes he cannot testify how or why he knows a shower was taken in Meredith and Amanda's bathroom the morning after the murder?BTW, Briars, I hope this alleviates your concerns about Amanda saying she had a shower that morning. There was no reason to be upset after all.

Cheers
Cody Canuke
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Nope. He never explains it.

A correction of an error I made earlier. It wasn't the JUDGE who said "We are talking about nothing; it was Bongiorno speaking TO the judge. Regardless, it does not change what Chiacchiera said.

 

[Numbers]

An article about a case with some parallels to the Knox - Sollecito case:

https://www.propublica.org/article/...million-to-man-wrongfully-convicted-of-murder

"Detectives had pressured Thompson in the interrogation room until they had “enough to get James Owens,” as one of the detectives later put it. Owens’ lawsuit alleged that the detectives purposefully didn’t tell his attorneys about Thompson’s waffling {continually changing story, delivered under pressure of the police}, as is required by law....

But in 2006, semen found in the victim was tested, and the DNA didn’t match Owens or Thompson. Other key forensic evidence proved to be unrelated to the men or wrongly analyzed. Instead of letting the men go free, the Baltimore state’s attorney’s office doubled down. After Owens was granted a new trial, the prosecutors refused to concede his innocence and instead tried to force him into a troubling deal known as an Alford plea. If he took it, Owens would be quickly released from prison and allowed to maintain his innocence on the record, but he’d still be a convicted murderer. And, significantly for cities with checkered histories, the deal would have prevented him from suing. For their part, prosecutors would keep a win on the books and avoid admitting a mistake...."