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Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

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As you have been told on more than one occasion, in in the UK a 'slut' is someone who is slovenly at housework.

You and Knox are the ones who have sexualised the word.

Once again you make a false statement that can be easily disproved. According to the Cambridge Dictionary, in the UK the first meaning of "slut" is

slang disapproving a woman who has sexual relationships with a lot of men without any emotional involvement

The second meaning is
a woman who is usually untidy and lazy

The same definitions are given in the Oxford English Dictionary:

1 A woman who has many casual sexual partners.

2 dated A woman with low standards of cleanliness.


Are you now going to accuse these British dictionaries of being inferior in the same manner you deride the Merriam Webster Dictionary?
 
One important issue in Knox v. Italy is that Amanda Knox was denied a lawyer during her Nov. 5/6 interrogation and was not allowed one, by an order of prosecutor Mignini, until just before her arrest hearing on Nov. 8.

Raffaele Sollecito was similarly denied a lawyer during his interrogation until just before his arresting hearing, on the same dates as for Knox, also by order of Mignini.

But in the case of Sollecito, Mignini was censured by the Superior Council of the Judiciary (initials in Italian: CSM) on Dec. 4, 2015 for having illegally - contrary to the law of the Code of Criminal Procedure - ordered the denial of a lawyer to Sollecito only orally rather than in writing. Here's an article with details:

l Csm censura il pm Mignini per la procedura con la quale vietò a Sollecito il colloquio col suo difensore

Il Csm censura il pm Mignini per la procedura con la quale vietò a Sollecito il colloqui col suo difensore. decisione soo orale e non scritta, "Ingiusto danno" per Sollecito

La sentenza del Csm arriva dopo ben 8 anni e dà ragione a Raffaele Sollecito ed ai suoi diritti. La Sezione disciplinare del Csm ha infatti inflitto la sanzione della censura a Giuliano Mignini, il pm del processo per l'omicidio di Meredith Kercher. La condanna è legata al fermo di Raffaele Sollecito e in particolare al divieto di conferire con il difensore che Mignini emise solo oralmente e non con un provvedimento scritto, come previsto dalle norme quel 6 novembre 2007. La procura generale della Cassazione aveva invece chiesto per Mignini (difeso dall'ex pm di mani Pulite Piercamillo Davigo) l'assoluzione. Sollecito invece, per il Csm, avrebbe ricevuto un "ingiusto danno" dalla decisione solo orale di Mignini "con grave e inescusabile violazione di legge".

Source: http://www.trgmedia.it/notizia/Il-C...-Sollecito-il-colloquio-col-s/77838/news.aspx

Translation by Google translate with my help:

The CSM censures prosecutor Mignini for the procedure with which he forbade Sollecito to talk to his defense lawyer

The CSM censures prosecutor Mignini for the procedure with which he forbade Sollecito to intervene with his lawyer. The order [was] only oral and unwritten, [resulting in] "unfair [legal] injury" to Sollecito

The sentence of the CSM comes after 8 years and gives grounds [to claims of] Raffaele Sollecito and his rights. The disciplinary section of the CSM imposed the censure sanction on Giuliano Mignini, the prosecutor in the murder trial of Meredith Kercher. The [CSM] judgment is linked to the arrest of Raffaele Sollecito and in particular to the prohibition to confer with a defense lawyer that Mignini issued only orally and not with the written provision required by the rules [on] that November 6, 2007. The general prosecution of the Court of Cassation had asked that Mignini (defended by former prosecutor Pulit Piercamillo Davigo) be acquitted. [However,] the CSM instead ruled that Sollecito received an "unfair [legal] injury" from the oral decision [order] of Mignini "[which was a] serious and unjustified violation of the law".
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The application to Knox v. Italy is that apparently Knox was also denied a lawyer based only on Mignini's oral, rather than written, order.

Thus, the denial of a lawyer was contrary to Italian law and strengthens her ECHR case that her rights were violated during the interrogation and subsequent incommunicado detention.
 
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Once again you make a false statement that can be easily disproved. According to the Cambridge Dictionary, in the UK the first meaning of "slut" is



The second meaning is


The same definitions are given in the Oxford English Dictionary:




Are you now going to accuse these British dictionaries of being inferior in the same manner you deride the Merriam Webster Dictionary?

My Compact edition of the OED has the second definition of "slut" as " A woman of a low and loose character; a bold or impudent girl. a hussy, a jade", with first use in c.1450 with another quotation from 1577-8 :"To haunt the tauernes late,.. And swap ech slut vpon the lippes, that in the darke he meets." (sic).
 
My Compact edition of the OED has the second definition of "slut" as " A woman of a low and loose character; a bold or impudent girl. a hussy, a jade", with first use in c.1450 with another quotation from 1577-8 :"To haunt the tauernes late,.. And swap ech slut vpon the lippes, that in the darke he meets." (sic).

This is further evidence that disproves Vixen's claim that "in the UK a 'slut' is someone who is slovenly at housework.

You and Knox are the ones who have sexualised the word."

What are the odds that Vixen didn't know the sexually derogatory meaning of the word? Zero to none, I'd say. And she wonders why we dismiss her "You've been told umpteen times" as evidence of anything.
 
This is further evidence that disproves Vixen's claim that "in the UK a 'slut' is someone who is slovenly at housework.

You and Knox are the ones who have sexualised the word."

What are the odds that Vixen didn't know the sexually derogatory meaning of the word? Zero to none, I'd say. And she wonders why we dismiss her "You've been told umpteen times" as evidence of anything.

It wasn't you or Knox who sexualised the word, that is for sure! It was my mammoth dictionary I was quoting from (which includes a quotation from Dickens) but the compact OED has the sexual definition as clearly the no.1 definition. I would surmise that most Brits would use this definition first.
 
It wasn't you or Knox who sexualised the word, that is for sure! It was my mammoth dictionary I was quoting from (which includes a quotation from Dickens) but the compact OED has the sexual definition as clearly the no.1 definition. I would surmise that most Brits would use this definition first.

That's obvious. But Vixen has her own 'alternative truth' as Kellyanne Conway would say.
 
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It wasn't you or Knox who sexualised the word, that is for sure! It was my mammoth dictionary I was quoting from (which includes a quotation from Dickens) but the compact OED has the sexual definition as clearly the no.1 definition. I would surmise that most Brits would use this definition first.

No. In England, the word is, 'slag'.
 
You are an expert in English vernacular?

I have never heard anyone being called a slut except in jest.

A 'slag' is the usual term for a loose woman. (Not used by me.)

Go back to your own posts of Aug 2017. You're now arguing with yourself.

Knox will get at least one more episode on the phenomenon of stranger slut-shaming on the Internet, from your posts alone.
 
You are an expert in English vernacular?

I have never heard anyone being called a slut except in jest.

A 'slag' is the usual term for a loose woman. (Not used by me.)


As usual, this is nonsense. I do happen to be deeply ingrained in the English vernacular, and I can confirm to everyone something that they already know: the word "slut" is indeed in by far its most common usage in contemporary British English to refer to a woman of loose sexual morals who sleeps around. And not "in jest" either. In fact, I doubt that if you polled (say) 1,000 English people in the streets, you'd find more than 10-20 who even knew that it once referred to a woman who was less than zealous in keeping her house clean and tidy (and those 10-20 would almost certainly be well over the age of 70), and the vast majority of the 1,000 would know full well that it now has the "woman of loose sexual morals" meaning.
 
One important issue in Knox v. Italy is that Amanda Knox was denied a lawyer during her Nov. 5/6 interrogation and was not allowed one, by an order of prosecutor Mignini, until just before her arrest hearing on Nov. 8.

Raffaele Sollecito was similarly denied a lawyer during his interrogation until just before his arresting hearing, on the same dates as for Knox, also by order of Mignini.

But in the case of Sollecito, Mignini was censured by the Superior Council of the Judiciary (initials in Italian: CSM) on Dec. 4, 2015 for having illegally - contrary to the law of the Code of Criminal Procedure - ordered the denial of a lawyer to Sollecito only orally rather than in writing. Here's an article with details:

l Csm censura il pm Mignini per la procedura con la quale vietò a Sollecito il colloquio col suo difensore

Il Csm censura il pm Mignini per la procedura con la quale vietò a Sollecito il colloqui col suo difensore. decisione soo orale e non scritta, "Ingiusto danno" per Sollecito

La sentenza del Csm arriva dopo ben 8 anni e dà ragione a Raffaele Sollecito ed ai suoi diritti. La Sezione disciplinare del Csm ha infatti inflitto la sanzione della censura a Giuliano Mignini, il pm del processo per l'omicidio di Meredith Kercher. La condanna è legata al fermo di Raffaele Sollecito e in particolare al divieto di conferire con il difensore che Mignini emise solo oralmente e non con un provvedimento scritto, come previsto dalle norme quel 6 novembre 2007. La procura generale della Cassazione aveva invece chiesto per Mignini (difeso dall'ex pm di mani Pulite Piercamillo Davigo) l'assoluzione. Sollecito invece, per il Csm, avrebbe ricevuto un "ingiusto danno" dalla decisione solo orale di Mignini "con grave e inescusabile violazione di legge".

Source: http://www.trgmedia.it/notizia/Il-C...-Sollecito-il-colloquio-col-s/77838/news.aspx

Translation by Google translate with my help:

The CSM censures prosecutor Mignini for the procedure with which he forbade Sollecito to talk to his defense lawyer

The CSM censures prosecutor Mignini for the procedure with which he forbade Sollecito to intervene with his lawyer. The order [was] only oral and unwritten, [resulting in] "unfair [legal] injury" to Sollecito

The sentence of the CSM comes after 8 years and gives grounds [to claims of] Raffaele Sollecito and his rights. The disciplinary section of the CSM imposed the censure sanction on Giuliano Mignini, the prosecutor in the murder trial of Meredith Kercher. The [CSM] judgment is linked to the arrest of Raffaele Sollecito and in particular to the prohibition to confer with a defense lawyer that Mignini issued only orally and not with the written provision required by the rules [on] that November 6, 2007. The general prosecution of the Court of Cassation had asked that Mignini (defended by former prosecutor Pulit Piercamillo Davigo) be acquitted. [However,] the CSM instead ruled that Sollecito received an "unfair [legal] injury" from the oral decision [order] of Mignini "[which was a] serious and unjustified violation of the law".
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The application to Knox v. Italy is that apparently Knox was also denied a lawyer based only on Mignini's oral, rather than written, order.

Thus, the denial of a lawyer was contrary to Italian law and strengthens her ECHR case that her rights were violated during the interrogation and subsequent incommunicado detention.


Yes. And I would further suggest that if Sollecito has the appetite to make his own application to the ECHR at some point in the future, this deliberate, choreographed and cynical deprivation of legal counsel (and other rights) by Mignini would potentially face similar censure. As for why a fully-exonerated Sollecito might go down this route..... well, he was denied compensation by reactionary Italian courts. I suspect that a strong ruling in his favour by the ECHR might very well result in retrospective monetary compensation by Italy.
 
As usual, this is nonsense. I do happen to be deeply ingrained in the English vernacular, and I can confirm to everyone something that they already know: the word "slut" is indeed in by far its most common usage in contemporary British English to refer to a woman of loose sexual morals who sleeps around. And not "in jest" either. In fact, I doubt that if you polled (say) 1,000 English people in the streets, you'd find more than 10-20 who even knew that it once referred to a woman who was less than zealous in keeping her house clean and tidy (and those 10-20 would almost certainly be well over the age of 70), and the vast majority of the 1,000 would know full well that it now has the "woman of loose sexual morals" meaning.

Rubbish, absolute rubbish.

Show me a British tabloid that calls a woman a 'slut'.

You can't.
 
Rubbish, absolute rubbish.

Show me a British tabloid that calls a woman a 'slut'.

You can't.



Are you serious? This is pitiful.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz...Gemma-Winter-Dolly-Rose-Campbell-slut-shaming

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz...her-Nicola-Roberts-slut-shaming-Fifth-Harmony

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/714550/Islamic-preacher-guilty-woman-slut-tight-jeans-Birmingham

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/ne...pil-who-else-can-i-be-a-slut-with-trial-told/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-female-author-slut-drunken-bar-clash.html


Yeah.... all of these were using the term "slut" to define a woman who is bad at keeping up with housework..... :D :rolleyes: (And that was just a cursory 2-minute search of UK newspapers)

Your continued "argument" on this issue truly is pathetic. Please stop.
 
Just to clarify: I was referencing two Oxford Dictionaries that I have , both rather misleadingly called "Compact" .The first is compact because it has the entire contents of the Oxford English dictionary, having 4116 pages, but with four pages per page, and one small modern everyday dictionary. The Big Dictionary has the first meaning of "untidiness" and the second definition of "hussy" etcetera, but the second definition going back well before the white colonisation of the USA. My small dictionary puts the more arcane definition second. By the way it also puts "slag" as the second definition, after "stony waste matter" and clearly describes the definition as "informal, derogatory".
 

The Star and the Express?

As for the school teacher who sent her pupil lover a text, 'who can I be a slut with' (or similar), she clearly didn't see 'slut' as a derogatory term.

A 'slag' would be.

As for Girls Aloud, they are clearly adopting an Americanism. 'Slutty' would be the correct term describe their slovenly clothing, but it wouldn't refer to their sleeping around.
 
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