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Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

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I agree Trump's wife's testimony was a red herring. However, I read up on this case and found the evidence compelling. The defence's attempt to pin the murder on some 'mysterious black guy' (note, the WM3 also came up with this 'alternative' suspect, as did Steven Avery, when he pointed the finger at Halbach's ex-boyfriend) failed spectacularly, so the search was on to find yet another.

Brendan Dassey confessed to the Avery murder, one of the WM3 confessed, Eriksson confessed in the Ferguson case, and Knox confessed to being at the murder of Merdith Kercher. I believe them.

'When someone shows you who they are, believe them. The first time.' ~ Angela Mayou

Why do you comment on things that you are sadly ignorant about? The WM3 defense didn't come up with some black "alternative" suspect. Unless, of course, considering a very suspicious person who was bleeding and disoriented as reported by a citizen, who just happened to be black, is unreasonable in your view.

The citing of a black male as a possible alternate suspect was implied during the beginning of the Misskelley trial. According to local West Memphis police officers, on the evening of May 5, 1993, at 8:42 pm, workers in the Bojangles' restaurant located about a mile from the crime scene in Robin Hood Hills reported seeing a black male who seemed "mentally disoriented" inside the restaurant's ladies' room. The man was bleeding and had brushed against the restroom walls. Officer Regina Meeks responded to the call, taking the restaurant manager's report through the eatery's drive-through window. By then, the man had left, and police did not enter the restroom on that date.[22]

The day after the victims' bodies were found, Bojangles' manager Marty King, thinking there was a possible connection to the bloody man found in the bathroom, reported the incident to police officers who then inspected the ladies' room. King gave the officers a pair of sunglasses he thought the man had left behind, and the detectives took some blood samples from the walls and tiles of the restroom. Police detective Bryn Ridge testified that he later lost those blood scrapings. A hair identified as belonging to a black male was later recovered from a sheet wrapped around one of the victims.
(Wikipedia)

Your inability (or refusal) to accept that innocent people do frequently falsely confess supports what studies have found: a confession will override almost everything else in many people's minds.

According to Kassin and Neumann (1997), jurors rely on confession evidence more than other forms of evidence. Of greater concern is the findings that even if jurors rated a confession as less voluntary and believed that the confession did not affect their decisions, these jurors were still more likely to convict than jurors who did not read confession evidence (Kassin & Sukel, 1997)
http://www.kkcomcon.com/doc/KFalseConfess.pdf
 
In experiments and in interrogation rooms, adults who are told convincing fictions have become susceptible to memories of things that never happened. Rejecting their own recollections through what psychologists call “memory distrust syndrome,” they are tricked by phony evidence into accepting their own fabrications of guilt — an “internalized false confession.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/opinion/sunday/why-do-innocent-people-confess.html

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
 
In experiments and in interrogation rooms, adults who are told convincing fictions have become susceptible to memories of things that never happened. Rejecting their own recollections through what psychologists call “memory distrust syndrome,” they are tricked by phony evidence into accepting their own fabrications of guilt — an “internalized false confession.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/opinion/sunday/why-do-innocent-people-confess.html

Sounds familiar, doesn't it? But I'm sure certain PGP will claim her description of her confusion and "dream like" images was deliberately similar to what is described above.
 
Hmmmm... those darn legal professionals at the ECHR who wrote the articles and their vague and dressed up wording! What were they thinking?

For clarification: the European Convention on Human Rights, including each of its articles, was written by the foreign-office representatives (including legal staff) from each of the governments of the founding members of the Council of Europe in 1950. This is a treaty that was ratified by each of the founding member states of the Council of Europe and each new member state. It has been added to or amended since with Protocols also ratified by the member states. It was not written by the "legal professionals at the ECHR". The European Court of Human Rights is called for in an article of the Convention, an international treaty, and only came into being as a result of the actions of the states who founded and instituted the Council of Europe. The Court (ECHR) was created by the Council of Europe states and began functioning in 1959, in conjunction with the European Commissioner on Human Rights, but its role was enhanced in 1998 as the Commissioner's role was made non-judicial.

Here is a brief history of the European Convention on Human Rights and the ECHR:

"The Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, better known as the European Convention on Human Rights, was opened for signature in Rome on 4 November 1950 and came into force in 1953. It was the first instrument to give effect to certain of the rights stated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and make them binding.

Since its adoption in 1950 the Convention has been amended a number of times and supplemented with many rights in addition to those set forth in the original text."

Source: https://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=basictexts&c=#n1359128122487_pointer

"The European Court of Human Rights is an international court set up in 1959.

It rules on individual or State applications alleging violations of the civil and political rights set out in the European Convention on Human Rights.

Since 1998 it has sat as a full-time court and individuals can apply to it directly.

In almost fifty years the Court has delivered more than 10,000 judgments. These are binding on the countries concerned and have led governments to
alter their legislation and administrative practice in a wide range of areas. The Court’s case-law makes the Convention a powerful living instrument for meeting new challenges and consolidating the rule of law and democracy in Europe."

Source: https://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=court&c=#newComponent_1346149514608_pointer
See PDF The Court in Brief

The full text of Article 3 is highlighted below. Note that "Prohibition of torture" is only the short title describing the article; contrary to the false statements of the guilters, the article explicitly prohibits inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment as well as torture.

ARTICLE 3
Prohibition of torture
No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
The ECHR is itself set up in accordance with the Convention, Article 19:

ARTICLE 19
Establishment of the Court
To ensure the observance of the engagements undertaken by the High Contracting Parties in the Convention and the Protocols thereto, there shall be set up a European Court of Human Rights, hereinafter referred to as “the Court”. It shall function on a permanent basis.

Source: https://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=basictexts&c=#n1359128122487_pointer
See PDF European Convention on Human Rights

The ECHR in its role as a court interprets the provisions of the Convention in the cases brought before it, and through precedence, maintains consistency of judgment.

For comparison, the US Constitution was written by a convention of delegates from some of the original 13 states (the Rhode Island state legislature chose not to send delegates, and some other state delegates did not attend), and ratified by the states. The Constitution provides that there must be a Supreme Court but does not include every detail related to it; for example, the number of judges is specified only by law. After the the Constitution was adopted and the Congress and President were in office, the Supreme Court was set up according to a law (the Judiciary act of 1789) passed by the Congress and in accordance with the constitutional requirements.
 
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Numbers, I was being sarcastic, but thanks for the information.

Yes, I actually understood that your comment was sarcasm.

But I couldn't resist the opportunity to post about the Convention and the ECHR.

And to refute the false statements of the guilters about Article 3. It is clear that Knox is claiming a violation of the appropriate section of that article.

There is no validity to the guilters' false statement "Article 3 is the Torture article. You can dress it up in fancy words such as 'degrading and inhumane treatment'."

Article 3 of the Convention very specifically includes the prohibition of degrading and inhumane treatment. The rejection of this prohibition by the guilters is in fact an indication that, contrary to their claimed support of law, they oppose the fundamental law adopted by the member states of the Council of Europe. Those member states include all the European countries except for Belarus.

I also speculate that there must be a central repository of guilter misinformation. That repository would contain, for example, instructions to the guilters to substitute the name "Angela Mayou" for Maya Angelou, who is the actual source attributed to the quotation "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." And I would highly doubt that that quotation was meant to apply to false confessions.

See (for example):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Angelou
 
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Thanks for posting the link to this first episode of The Scarlet Letter Reports. It was very interesting and well worth watching. I especially liked the comment from Amanda regarding the internet trolls who continue to call her a 'slut', etc.

On an aside note, I completely agree with Sarkeesian and her assessment of the way women are portrayed in the majority of video games. It's time for this kind of sexist and degrading portrayal to stop.
 
You just can't resist showing how much you don't know about this case, can you. It's almost embarrassing.

Who said Trump's wife's testimony was a red herring? It was just the opposite. She stated she did NOT send her husband the newspaper article he claimed he received from her. It proved his story was a fabrication.

The defense didn't attempt to pin the crime on anyone. The defense merely proved there was NO evidence against Ferguson.

The last person known to be with Heitholt was Michael Boyd (who just happens to be black, but I see you once again try to add the race element - sick) and that was at 2:30AM in the parking lot where Heitholt was murdered. He was also not mysterious - his identity was known from the get go. Boyd has given multiple, conflicting accounts of what took place that evening. Papers belonging to Boyd were found at the crime scene. Heitholt was Boyd’s supervisor at the Tribune and it was later discovered that Boyd had a dispute with Heitholt shortly before the murder regarding a "major mistake" Boyd had made on an assignment from Heitholt. Despite all of this Boyd was NEVER investigated. Can you explain that, Vixen?

Ferguson was convicted on the strength of the testimony of Trump and Erickson. I've already given you the reasons why Trump's testimony HAS to be discarded. That leaves Erickson. Did you watch the Erickson interview? Do you realize he had NO knowledge of the crime. No idea where the body was, no idea how he died, nothing. He claimed they robbed him for drinking money but he wasn't robbed. He said they went back to the bar at 2:30 but the bar closed at 1:30. There was absolutely nothing about his testimony that matched to the crime. He had a dream, Vixen - a DREAM! He was passed out due to drugs and alcohol. There was plenty of forensic evidence but not one speck of it connected Erickson or Ferguson to the crime. The court concluded neither witness was credible, the police fabricated evidence and the prosecution withheld exculpatory evidence. It had no choice but to vacate the conviction. The prosecution realized they had no case against him and opted to drop the charges.

So now I am really curious... exactly what did you find so compelling????

This is what fascinates me about you so much, Vixen. There is NO evidence against Ferguson and yet you claim there is compelling evidence. You still think Kirsten Lobato was guilty and yet there was no evidence connecting her to the crime and significant exculpatory evidence. And we all know how you feel about Amanda and Raffaele. What is it with you that compels you to think all of these people guilty when in all three cases the evidence to the contrary has caused courts to reverse them?

No, I wasn't referring to Boyd. There was a 'mysterious black guy' who was the main suspect (according to the defence) until that turned out to be not feasible.
 
Interview with Amanda about her new show and how her own sexuality was used against her (and still is as we've seen in this very forum).

http://time.com/5255675/amanda-knox-interview-vice-show/

CNN is airing a new special report that some people, including on the forum, need to watch: Spreading Hate: the Dark Side of the Internet

Mez was brutally stripped and sexually assaulted.

That is far worse than someone calling you a slut. I don't know anyone who has called Knox a slut.

Her fake claims are just manipulation to get people to feel sorry for her.
 
Mez was brutally stripped and sexually assaulted.

That is far worse than someone calling you a slut. I don't know anyone who has called Knox a slut.

Her fake claims are just manipulation to get people to feel sorry for her.

Please show some respect for the victim of the 2007 Perugian murder.

You yourself have slut-shamed Knox many times in this thread since you joined.
 
Mez was brutally stripped and sexually assaulted.

By the criminal male who was covered in her blood and left his DNA in her vagina, yeah.

That is far worse than someone calling you a slut. I don't know anyone who has called Knox a slut.

The entire tabloid media and their many followers such as yourself.

Her fake claims are just manipulation to get people to feel sorry for her.

Nobody would give two ***** about Amanda Knox or even know her name if it weren't for world's fascination with the sexy coed killer (that never was). You haven't gone a day in your life since 2007 without thinking about Amanda Knox.
 
Some classics from Vixen, who claims that she does not slut-shame:

Vixen in Aug 2017 said:
Knox herself keeps portraying herself as a rampant nymphomaniac who invented sex. <fx YAWN>
Vixen in Aug 2017 said:
The person who caused pain to her family was Amanda herself. When will this emotionally retarded person take responsibiltiy for her own actions instead of blaming innocent prison doctors, her age, the drugs, sexism, Italy, catholics, the victim's family and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all.
Vixen in Aug 2017 said:
She should grow up. Since when was a 20-year old a 'kid'? As for, 'the Black guys call me their "little baby girl"' - snorts of scepticism - and prancing about in a little red riding hood outfit, who is she kidding?
Vixen in Aug 2017 said:
If someone proudly proclaims they are a 'slut', why should we pretend they are not?
We are not even allowed to call people 'prostitutes' any more, we have to call them 'sex workers'. But does it really change the nature of what they do?

OK, a case could be made for making it respectable. But you can't force people to respect you. You have to earn it.
Vixen in Aug 2017 said:
Knox stood up in court to point out her vibrator was four inches. What? Hello, you are on trial for rape and murder, and you have a belief the whole world is interested in the size of your personal vibrator???
BTW - it was PM Giuliano Mignini who brought up the issue of the vibrator in court.
 
Some classics from Vixen, who claims that she does not slut-shame:






BTW - it was PM Giuliano Mignini who brought up the issue of the vibrator in court.

Can't have it both ways. One minute she claims she is protesting about sexual harassment, and the next, proclaims it is her right to sexually harass her roommate by waving her sex toys in her face.

Anyway, the programme is a minority interest one. It won't get many views.
 
Can't have it both ways. One minute she claims she is protesting about sexual harassment, and the next, proclaims it is her right to sexually harass her roommate by waving her sex toys in her face.

Anyway, the programme is a minority interest one. It won't get many views.

Ok - I note you do not dispute slut-shaming people. Noted. You are continuing to produce content for the claim on on-line harassment of a Seattleite who'd been acquitted of a crime in Italy in 2015.

Go for it. For the record, upthread you'd claimed not to have slut-shamed anyone.
 
Can't have it both ways. One minute she claims she is protesting about sexual harassment, and the next, proclaims it is her right to sexually harass her roommate by waving her sex toys in her face.

Anyway, the programme is a minority interest one. It won't get many views.

Ok - I note you do not dispute slut-shaming people. Noted. You are continuing to produce content for the claim on on-line harassment of a Seattleite who'd been acquitted of a crime in Italy in 2015.

Go for it. For the record, upthread you'd claimed not to have slut-shamed anyone.

The main tenet of the guilters' argument is that Knox is a slut, and therefore a murderer. This sexual-criminal fantasy of the guilters propels their entire view of the case, and drives the extreme bias which prevents them from acknowledging that they actually have no credible arguments for the guilt of Knox or (when they remember him) Sollecito.
 
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