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Right, Left and coddling

Fudbucker said:
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Please. We're not talking about taking a sentence out of a long paragraph. You dishonestly cut off my quote in mid-sentence. And when called out on it, you try to say it was for "brevity". Don't bother expecting replies from me anymore.
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Ziggurat said:
And how is it for people not like you?
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They should be asking their Insurance Company why it dropped their doctor from the Company's network, assuming that they didn't change companies. If they changed companies then they have to ask why it don't include that doctor in the network.

The fact is that the ACA didn't make people lose their doctors, Insurance Companies did, and they can and do this at any time they like. Even if you remain with the same company, it can decide to stop providing cover for a certain doctor, or the doctor can decide to no longer be part of the Company's network. Changing companies is a risk always because they might not cover your previous doctor. This has been a feature of the US healthcare system since it went private, and it something the Government and it's policies have zero control over.
 
Ziggurat said:
It does if you want to use the survey to prove something about them.



Which changes? Again, the survey doesn't specify. For example, blacks have certainly benefited from some of the changes since the 1950's, but not from all of them. As an example, the drop in marriage rates and rise in single-parent households has been devastating to the black community.

So which changes do the respondents like or dislike? All of them? Nope, that's not what the survey indicates.
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Based on the racism, sexism, xenophobia, and homophobia I see exhibited by Trump and many of his supporters, I'm going to assume the cultural changes in question were regarding those same minorities with which many Republicans are openly hostile to.

What cultural changes do you think they had in mind? The influence of the abstract expressionists?

ETA: forgot anti-semitism.
 
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Fudbucker said:
What cultural changes do you think they had in mind? The influence of the abstract expressionists?
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•Intact families

•Perceived lower crime rate

•Significantly higher spending power (income compared to costs) for commoners; one income stream normally enough to support a family better than two can now; both members of a couple didn't NEED to work just to survive

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Yall know this as well as anybody else does. Why pretend not to?

Fudbucker said:
Based on the racism, sexism, xenophobia, and homophobia I see exhibited by Trump and many of his supporters...
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The left has been crying "wolf!" so much that it's just background noise now, expected to be thrown at anybody & everybody who's not an ultra-lefty because that's just the routine. Trump supporters and lots of others who aren't Trump supporters are so used to hearing false accusations that hearing them again about Trump didn't cause anybody to actually think it was true of Trump, because it's usually not true of any of the countless other targets of this kind of nonsense. And when people looked at his actual behavior, they didn't see it there either. The anti-immigrant stuff was about immigrants, and immigrants are not a race. The anti-Islam stuff was about a culture (which has well earned it), not a race. Claims that he was racist without having actually done or said anything racist only discredited the accusers themselves. Thus, voters who voted for Trump (9 million of whom had voted for Obama twice) weren't "voting for a racist"; they were just "voting for someone who gets crazy accusations thrown at him a lot"... which didn't even make him unusual in a country where we're all swimming in such accusations all the time anyway (including the above nonsense about anybody & everybody who admits that anything was good in the 1950s).
 
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I'm a racist, she's a racist, you're are a racist, he's a racist. Wouldn't you like to be a racist to?
 
PhantomWolf said:
The fact is that the ACA didn't make people lose their doctors, Insurance Companies did
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This was a forseeable (and forseen) consequence of the incentive structure of the ACA. Blame whoever you like, but it was still a lie.
 
Delvo said:
The left has been crying "wolf!" so much that it's just background noise now, expected to be thrown at anybody & everybody who's not an ultra-lefty because that's just the routine. Trump supporters and lots of others who aren't Trump supporters are so used to hearing false accusations that hearing them again about Trump didn't cause anybody to actually think it was true of Trump, because it's usually not true of any of the countless other targets of this kind of nonsense.
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You know, you can say that, but when you immediately proceed to this sort of laughable claim...

And when people looked at his actual behavior, they didn't see it there either. The anti-immigrant stuff was about immigrants, and immigrants are not a race. The anti-Islam stuff was about a culture (which has well earned it), not a race. Claims that he was racist without having actually done or said anything racist only discredited the accusers themselves.
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I'm forced to ask if you can recognize even the most obvious forms of bigotry - such as his birtherism, his plain hatred of Hispanic people (including a US-born judge), his open use of racism and anti-semitic memes on Twitter, etc.

Would you recognize it if, say, it were a group of people waving Nazi flags and yelling about the jews? How about taking advise from a man who worked with neo-nazis and KKK members to help mainstream genocidal racism, such as Steve Bannon? Or are you simply completely unable to recognize it in even violent forms - such as Stop and Frisk?
 
Delvo said:
The left has been crying "wolf!" so much that it's just background noise now, expected to be thrown at anybody & everybody who's not an ultra-lefty because that's just the routine. Trump supporters and lots of others who aren't Trump supporters are so used to hearing false accusations
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Are they? I have never been called a racist in my life. Most of the people I know, which includes many Trump supporters, which includes people who are extremely racist, have never been called a racist. What they have seen is the odd video of someone they don't know being called a racist by someone else they don't know, and being the uber snowflakes that they are they get offended by that. What they have seen is some uppity minorities getting upset about getting killed disproportionately by the police, those minorities claiming that as an example of racism and then being the world-class snowflakes that they are they get offended by that.

that hearing them again about Trump didn't cause anybody to actually think it was true of Trump
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Anyone who didn't think it was true of Trump obviously is incapable of judging what racism is, and when hearing claims of racism in the past should have objectively assessed the claims instead of defensively reacting against the claim. Anyone who could hear the things coming out of Trump's mouth and think that this is a non-racist being maligned by leftists, is a racist. Anyone who could continue to hold this view after Charlottesville is very, very racist.

Thus, voters who voted for Trump (9 million of whom had voted for Obama twice) weren't "voting for a racist"
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There is a very stupid assumption that all those who voted for Obama and then voted for Trump could not be racist. People who were not racist become racist all the time, and it has been happening over the last number of years. Part of it is the steady drumbeat of talk-radio and similar media sources. Part of it is people, including a large number in the skeptic community, claiming that racists are not racist, and those who call out racism are actually the racists, because someone, somewhere at some time was unjustifiably called a racist by an evil SJW and that has deeply offended those who claim that everyone else is too easily offended.
 
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