Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

[manifesto]

Done. The Warren Commission found that Oswald acted alone.

Lol.

 

[manifesto]

That probability only comes into play if McLain is in the exact spots he has to be at the exact right times. If he isn't, that probability goes out the window.

No. The probality is a value of the strength of the evidence, independent of anything outside its scope.

That is, IF it can be proven that no bike with a stuck mike was present on the right spots at the right time, the probability as a value, still stands.

So the way you confirm the dictabelt findings and cash in on that probability is by proving McLain was where they needed him to be.

You haven't.

Wrong. I have to show that he within a reasonable time frame COULD have been at the right spots at the right time.

You have to PROVE he couldn’t.

Moreover, even with all the available photo and video evidence, you can't even suggest a realistic scenario that allows him to be at those spots in time. Nothing you've attempted has even come close. You've been floundering at this point for 4 or 5 days now.

Prove that Z-150 synchs with H-648.

 

[manifesto]

Firecrackers leave evidence. It would have been found quickly, plus there would have been smoke, and the turn onto Elm Street is on film from three different angles, and there is no smoke.

You are not very good a this.

I’m not claiming it was a firecracker, I’m claiming a number of withesses that thought it was a firecracker.

The point is that it has not to be a rifle shot that people are reacting to in Z-160, since there is witnesses reporting loud noise/s NOT being rifle shot/s at that time frame and that the acoustic evidence is showing a false positive = loud noise but not as loud as a rifle shot, just before the first identified rifle shot on the dictabelt.

Ergo. There is no unambigous evidence of the first rifle shot being fired at Z-160.

On the contrary.

No there isn't. People only heard three shots. Nothing about a loud sound.

A number of witnesses thought that the first loud sound/s was a firecracker or a vehicle back firing, not a rifle shot.

The dictabelt recordings are inconclusive.

No, they are not. They show five rifle shot with a probability less than 1/100 000 for being random noise/static.

This is scientific proof.

Nope. He said he was about to make the turn when he heard a shot, and only one.

What? I’m talking of Jack Ruby being identified at the Houston/Elm intersection minutes after the shooting, by TSBD employee, Victoria Adams. And, that he had no real alibi for the time around the shooting.

What are you talking about?

 

[manifesto]

From McLain's testimony...

"I heard one very clear shot. Evidently I must have felt like it was coming from straight ahead because at that instant I was looking down, and when I heard the shot, threw my head up and it appeared that about 5,000 pigeons flew out from behind that building (the Texas School Book Depository) straight ahead."

"But I could see the limousine off to my left on Elm and saw Mrs. Kennedy crawling on the back of the car."

[qimg]https://www.dropbox.com/s/dzksdw2disz8jcj/Dealey-plaza.jpg?raw=1[/qimg]

It has to be blindingly obvious to anyone but a complete idiot that McLain was on Houston between Main and Elm (in the red area on the map), and facing roughly north for him to have heard the fatal shot coming from the TSBD and then seen to his left, Jackie scrambling over the trunk of the limousine (Green X)

For him to have seen and heard that, he had to be nowhere near where he needed to be for the dictabelt acoustical analysis to work... ergo, that acoustical analysis is meaningless rubbish, ergo the 95% of witnesses who said they only heard three or fewer shots were correct.

McLain is claiming that he stopped the bike in the middle of Houston Street looking down the park seeing Mrs. Kennedy on the limo trunk.

How can McLain have done this if he is the Dorman cop, arriving at the Houston/Elm intersection at the same time he is standing still at the middle of Houston?

Spooky action at a distance?

 

[manifesto]

We are legion. You are legend. Enough of the silly, self-pitying rhetoric.

Not self-pitying, stating a matter of fact. I’m enjoying myself on your behalf.

You chose to come and stay on a list that is dedicated to critiquing CT.

Exactly. No dedication to the truth, that is.

If you don't like the heat of this kitchen and want to be on a list that swarms with CT types, go to alt.assassination.jfk (though there are a few knowledgeable folks there who will hand you your hat as Hank and others have done here).

How does it feel hiding behind a concept like ”scientific skepticism” selling the opposite? Does it feel good? Licking up to power?

I’m here to tell you the truth.

 

[manifesto]

Our job is not to contribute any particular knowledge in this context. We've been trying to persuade you of the value of what's already known and been discussed at length. It's your job to contribute new knowledge--thus challenging the null--if you actually have any to contribute. So far, only garden-variety CT claims. We've seen them all--every one you've offered--before. That's why we urge you to read the earlier parts of these threads.

If you do not like to explain why you take a certain position no one is forcing you, or is there?

Someone forcing you?

 

[manifesto]

The better question is why those "leading experts"? BBN is a government contractor making millions off of DoD, NSA, and CIA contracts...or did you know that already? Or are you only suspicious when it suits your purposes?

Already discussed a couple of pages back. Yes, they were treading a fine line between scientific integrity and their dependence on government funding and orders.

They had all eyes on them. From above and from below from the critical community. Blakey ’persuaded’ them to make compromise, excluding shot number three and move the fatal shot from the front, to the back. To ”please” his congressional overseers.

Still, the science in the report is there, Blakeys presentation of it be damned.

People paid to give the government what they want, and the HSCA wanted a conspiracy.

There was two HSCA. The first one under Sprauge and the second one under Blakey. The first one was the real deal, trying to solve the assassination. The second one was compromised from day one, Blakey giving the CIA a carte blanch and veto to deside what could be published.

The fox is investigating the nightly raid in the hen house.

If you listen to the recordings there are a number of things missing from them including cheering crowds,

The crowds was sheering the Kennedys, not the press-cars way back in the motorcade.

and McLain's siren wailing as he rushed to Parkland.

Prove that he had his siren on when driving to Parkland.

His ’memory’ are now in severe dispute, and no, there is no reason to believe he could remember a (at the time) trivial episode 15 years later.

If he can’t get the memory of Mrs. Kennedy on the limo trunk straight, why expect he could remember having his siren on?

 

[manifesto]

Serious question: Did you ever post as 'Robert Prey' here?

No.

You had plenty of time - and opportunities - to post the evidence, if you had any. What's the point of telling us to 'wait and see'?

I’m still debating the acoustical proof of five rifle shots in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination = conspiracy = Oswald did not kill JFK.

It gives you time to come up with a new change of subject?

Hank

No, I’m pointing out proven factoids as they come, while sticking to the subject.

I have told you this before, but you seem to be a slow learner. No worries, I have patience. No one left behind.

 

[OKBob]

Licking up to power?

I asked you earlier what "power" you claim I am licking up to. You didn't answer. I ask you again. Or is this another claim you can't back up?

 

[OKBob]

Someone forcing you?

Hearing voices?

 

[manifesto]

I asked you earlier what "power" you claim I am licking up to. You didn't answer. I ask you again. Or is this another claim you can't back up?

The same power that assassinated JFK in a coup d’etat, 22 nov, 1963.

It has many names. The Deep State. The War State. The Military-Industrial Complex. US Security State. The Oligarchs.

Who is it that advertise in Popular Mechanichs? Paying the salaries to its employees? What power are they licking up to?

Same as you do.

 

[smartcooky]

McLain is claiming that he stopped the bike in the middle of Houston Street looking down the park seeing Mrs. Kennedy on the limo trunk.

Yes, and?

How can McLain have done this if he is the Dorman cop, arriving at the Houston/Elm intersection at the same time he is standing still at the middle of Houston?

How do you know its the same time? Answer; you don't, you're just guessing.

How long does it take to bring a motorcycle travelling at 11mph, to a stop, remain stationary for, say 3 seconds, and start again? Answer less than seven seconds including the three seconds you are stationary.

In fact, if you bothered to read his account carefully, you would realise that he must have stopped (when he heard the gunshot come from straight ahead) well before the intersection of Houston and Elm. McLain said he looked to his left, and saw Jackie, so he must have been well back from the corner to do that. If he had been just before the corner, he would have needed to look back over his left shoulder (the turn from Houston onto Elm is more than 90°).

McLain easily had enough time to stop part way down Houston, see Jackie crawl across the trunk of the limo, then start up against to make the turn into Elm; the stop could have happened in a period time when he was not on any of the cameras.

Of course, you will not accept thus because it doesn't fit into your fantasy world-view.

 

[manifesto]

Hearing voices?

No, you are whining about having to ”debunk” stuff already ”debunked”.

Is there someone forcing you?

 

[Henri McPhee]

I don't want to get into some big technical argument with people like Hank about the lone gunman theory, but there are people who have their doubts about it. I still think the CIA and mafia and Cuban exile theory is plausible, and even Bush and Johnson being involved as well:

http://jfkfiles.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/bullet-analysis-casts-doubt-on-lone.html

Hence the title of the group's paper: "Chemical and Forensic Analysis of JFK Assassination Bullet Lots: Is a Second Shooter Possible?" The team was honored by the American Statistical Association with its 2008 Statistics in Chemistry award.

The study doesn't say there were two or more gunmen, only that the single-gunman theory can't be supported by science.

 

[manifesto]

I don't want to get into some big technical argument with people like Hank about the lone gunman theory, but there are people who have their doubts about it. I still think the CIA and mafia and Cuban exile theory is plausible, and even Bush and Johnson being involved as well:

http://jfkfiles.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/bullet-analysis-casts-doubt-on-lone.html

Old news.

 

[smartcooky]

I don't want to get into some big technical argument with people like Hank about the lone gunman theory, but there are people who have their doubts about it. I still think the CIA and mafia and Cuban exile theory is plausible, and even Bush and Johnson being involved as well:

http://jfkfiles.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/bullet-analysis-casts-doubt-on-lone.html

Anyone who has the tiniest bit of sense and is well read on the subject knows that there was one, and only one shooter in Dealy Plaza on 11/22/63... it was Lee Harvey Oswald, who acted entirely alone.

Were there any others involved before the event? No-one knows, and in reality, no-one will ever know; Oswald took that information to his grave.

 

[bknight]

What? The Dorman cop arrives at the Houston/Elm intersection exactly when Mrs. Kennedy is on the limo trunk.

- If the Dorman cop is McLain he has to be lying claiming he was standing still in the middle of Houston looking down the park seeing Mrs. Kennedy on the limo trunk. He can’t be at two places at the same time.

- If the Dorman cop is Courson, McLain has to be just beyond the spot where the mike picked up the sound of the last shot, on Elm Street.

Ergo. McLain is proven lying when he claims standing still in the middle of Houston Street looking down the park seeing Mrs. Kennedy on the limo trunk.

100% proof he couldn’t have been.

You are trying to put the open mike at the front end of the array, but the shots are at the end of the array, where there are no open mikes, no MC except those around the limo. This is a dynamic event, stopping at one end doesn't not prove the dictabelt is accurate.

 

[HSienzant]

I don't want to get into some big technical argument with people like Hank about the lone gunman theory, but there are people who have their doubts about it. I still think the CIA and mafia and Cuban exile theory is plausible, and even Bush and Johnson being involved as well:

http://jfkfiles.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/bullet-analysis-casts-doubt-on-lone.html

Henri McPhee is to 'Jeffrey MacDonald is innocent' as Manifesto is to 'Oswald is innocent'.

Henri comes to us today courtesy of the "Trials and Errors" section of this Forum.

He must have gotten tired of losing over there and came here for a respite.

He can normally be found arguing that three hippies killed Jeffrey MacDonald's wife and daughters, and unborn son here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327578

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

I don't want to get into some big technical argument with people like Hank about the lone gunman theory, but there are people who have their doubts about it. I still think the CIA and mafia and Cuban exile theory is plausible, and even Bush and Johnson being involved as well:

http://jfkfiles.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/bullet-analysis-casts-doubt-on-lone.html

Note this disclaimer:

"In short, a chemical reanalysis of the metallic composition of the bullet fragments from the Kennedy assassination might determine whether there were more than two bullets present among the fragments.

Of course, all of the other physical evidence recovered from the crime scene shows that only one rifle, Lee Harvey Oswald's 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano, was used in the slaying and that two of his three shots struck the occupants of the presidential limousine.

Thus, the 2007 Spiegelman et al report does not contradict the lone gunman theory, it only says that a further analysis of the compositional makeup of the Kennedy bullet fragments might show that the fragments came from more than the two known bullets. Might...."

Hank

 

[RoboTimbo]

Funny thing coming from you, RoboTimbo. You have contributed with exactly NIL knowledge to the thread since I started posting.

None.

If you could just link to the post where you laid out your comprehensive hypothesis for how JFK was assassinated, I will consider that you have contributed to the thread.

No? Typical CT who knows nothing about the assassination beyond what you've been told to think by your CT websites.