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The Important Event = Zero Defects is a fallacy. Especially in law enforcement:

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26 July 2010.

I was rear-ended by a passenger vehicle and my 2004 Yamaha R1 was totaled.

The officer in the above photo wrote the accident report.

When I eventually received a copy of the report, the officer has written "V1 (motorcycle) was out from under V2 (passenger vehicle) when I arrived."

Obviously that wasn't true.

This was a zero stress situation, and the officer got it wrong. He wasn't trying to screw anybody or cover something up, he just got it wrong.

I've reviewed reports written by other officers related to cases I was involved with and simple compass points were reversed, vehicle tags were misreported sometimes (even with attached photos in a case file) and in some cases times reported where noted as PM when the correct time was AM.
I said ”tend to stick”. Of course there is no guarantee, especially so many years after the event.

- No matter where McLain was when Mrs. Kennedy crawled on the back of the limo, he couldn’t have been where he say he was.

1. IF he is the Dorman cop, he was at the intersection, not standing still in the middle of Houston Street.

2. IF he is NOT the Dorman cop, Courson is, and McLain is exactly where the acoustical evidence is positioning him, further down the Elm Street.

3. Courson’s memory of being at the intersection seeing Mrs. Kennedy up on the back of the limo is corroborated by the Dorman film, IF he is the Dorman cop.

That is, the converging of the photographic evidence and the testimonies is further corroborating the scientific acoustical proof of five shots being fired at JFK on Elm Street.
 
I said ”tend to stick”. Of course there is no guarantee, especially so many years after the event.

- No matter where McLain was when Mrs. Kennedy crawled on the back of the limo, he couldn’t have been where he say he was.

1. IF he is the Dorman cop, he was at the intersection, not standing still in the middle of Houston Street.

2. IF he is NOT the Dorman cop, Courson is, and McLain is exactly where the acoustical evidence is positioning him, further down the Elm Street.

3. Courson’s memory of being at the intersection seeing Mrs. Kennedy up on the back of the limo is corroborated by the Dorman film, IF he is the Dorman cop.

That is, the converging of the photographic evidence and the testimonies is further corroborating the scientific acoustical proof of five shots being fired at JFK on Elm Street.

All of your questions can be solved by taking into account the well known and long established human tradition of making mistakes.
 
All of your questions can be solved by taking into account the well known and long established human tradition of making mistakes.
I’m not saying this is proof of anything, I’m saying that it fits to the acoustical proof of five shots in said timeframe.

If you dispute the HSCA acoustic evidence you have two options:

1. Pointing out faulty method, data or numbers in the acoustical evidence itself.

2. Pointing at other factors from other typen of evidence, ex. photographic, that invalidates the acoustical evidence.

Or, both.

So far no one has even tried nr. 1.

Myers is claiming his studie proves the HSCA acoustical evidence wrong (nr. 2).

If you agree with Myers, show me why.
 
I’m not saying this is proof of anything, I’m saying that it fits to the acoustical proof of five shots in said timeframe.

If you dispute the HSCA acoustic evidence you have two options:
Sorry, you haven't proved the HSCA version of events.

When will you be doing that?
 
No. I can prove there was a conspiracy and that the US Government covered it up and still do, 54 years later.

Ah good, then you should be able to give your version of events which best fits all of the evidence with no anomalies.

You'd think after all this time of asking, there would be a CT who isn't failing at answering.
 
Prove that McLain had less than 2-3 seconds to reach the spot.

https://imgur.com/a/9VMevQH

McLain 174 feet away from where he needs to be, with less than a second to get there if the shot is at Z160, less than 1.5 seconds to get there if the shot is at Z175.

Even if you use the completely unproven 3 second figure, from where he clearly is in this picture, he needs to accelerate to an over 40mph AVERAGE SPEED over that distance to get to the right spot.

Ergo, it didn't happen.

You are claiming that McLain is the cop in the Dorman film.

I'm not. McLain himself says he hadn't made the turn from Houston to Elm by the time the shooting was over.

If McLain kept his place in the motorcade where he'd been travelling the whole time, and averaged in the neighborhood of 10mph for that stretch, he would have been exactly where the Dorman rider was.

I'm just going where the evidence leads.

Interesting, since McLain are claiming he stopped his bike in the middle of Houston Street looking through the Dealey Plaza watching Mrs. Kennedy climb up on the back of the limo after the fatal shot.

Problem is, the cop in the Dorman film arrives at the Houston/Elm intersection exactly when this happens.

Was he in two places at the same time?

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo2/jfk5/hscamcla.htm

Mind pointing out where McLain says that?

Mr. CORNWELL. Do you have a memory of hearing any shots while you were in Dealey Plaza?
Mr. McLAIN. I only remember hearing one.
Mr. CORNWELL. And approximately where were you when you heard that shot?
Mr. McLAIN. I was approximately halfway between Main and Elm Streets on Houston.
Mr. CORNWELL. So you would have heard it sometime after the picture was taken in exhibit F-671, the last one on the right?
Mr. McLAIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. CORNWELL. And before you got to the corner and turned the corner from Houston onto Elm; is that correct?
Mr. McLAIN. That's correct.
Mr. CORNWELL. When you heard the shot, what, if anything, did you look at or what did you do?
Mr. McLAIN. I Just looked up the street and the only thing was a bunch of pigeons flew out behind the school book depository.
Mr. CORNWELL. So you heard the shot, your memory was, looking up, seeing the school book depository in front of you, and the pigeons fly off?
Mr. McLAIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. CORNWELL. After you heard this shot, would it be accurate to state that you continued on motorbike, made the corner from Houston onto Elm, and started down Elm Street?
Mr. McLAIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. CORNWELL. At some point thereafter did you hear anything with respect to what was going on? Did you hear any radio broadcast?
Mr. McLAIN. Yes, sir. The chief came on across the radio and said head back for Parkland Hospital.
Mr. CORNWELL. Now had you personally had any occasion on that day, to your memory, to use your radio, to talk through it?
Mr. McLAIN. No, sir.
Mr. CORNWELL. Do you have a distinct memory of what channel your radio was set on?
Mr. McLAIN. It's normally set on channel 1.
Mr. CORNWELL. And do you remember anything differently on that day?
Mr. McLAIN. No, sir.
Mr. CORNWELL. The answer is no?
Mr. McLAIN. Nope.


You're lying. Care to explain why?

An event of this kind tends to stick

OK, so now that you've seen McLain's actual testimony, are you standing by this statement? Did this event "stick" for McLain? An event of this kind tends to stick, right?

I guess that's that.
 
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No. I can prove there was a conspiracy and that the US Government covered it up and still do, 54 years later.

Ah good, then you should be able to give your version of events which best fits all of the evidence with no anomalies.

Its time to post this again.

manifesto, throughout all your postings here, in poking all your imaginary holes in the null hypothesis, and with all your self-delusional and feeble attempts at debunking the official story, you have not once given us YOUR account of how you think it all went down on 22 Nov 1963 in Dealey Plaza.

Tell us how it all went down manifesto; give us a blow by blow, minute by minute timeline of events, of how JFK was shot from the Grassy Knoll or wherever. You must account for ALL the evidence that makes up the official story. You have to account for at least ALL of the following facts....

FACT 1. Lee Harvey Oswald owned the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository on Friday afternoon, November 22, 1963.

FACT 2. Oswald owned the handgun that was shown to have been used in the murder of Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit.

FACT 3. Oswald was positively identified by witness Howard L. Brennan as the person firing a rifle at JFK on 11/22/63.

FACT 4. Marina Oswald admits to having taken pictures of Oswald with these weapons on his person,

FACT 5. Buell Wesley Frazier observed Oswald take a package into the Book Depository Building on the morning of November 22nd, 1963.

FACT 6. Oswald's claim this package contained "curtain rods" cannot be supported at all.

FACT 7. Oswald was seen working on the Depository's sixth floor that morning.

FACT 8. Oswald's palmprint [Warren Commission Exhibit #637] is found on his Mannlicher-Carcano rifle after the assassination.

FACT 9. It was proven that the alias "A.J. Hidell" [the alias used to purchase the rifle] was actually Oswald himself

FACT 10. The order form from Klein's Sporting Goods to purchase the mail-order rifle was positively proven to have been in Oswald's handwriting, and sent to a Dallas post-office box that was used by him.

FACT 11. No bullets or bullet fragments or spent shell casings other that those from Oswald Carcano were discovered anywhere in Dealey Plaza

FACT 12. The vast majority of Dealey Plaza witnesses said shots came from behind the President, in the direction of the TSBD.

FACT 12. The vast majority of witnesses said they heard exactly three shots fired. No more, no less.

FACT 13. Exactly three spent shell casings were found in the Sniper's Nest.

FACT 14. Every single one of the newsmen and reporters riding in the motorcade in Dealey Plaza, who were in a position to immediately report the shooting to the world via media outlets heard exactly three shots fired.

FACT 15. Every single one of these newsmen and reporters reported that the shots came from behind the motorcade... not one reported shots coming from the Grassy Knoll.

FACT 16. Oswald travels to Irving on 21 Nov 1963, to retrieve his "curtain rods". His rifle is found missing from Ruth Paine's garage the following day., and further, a package of actual curtain rods was still in that garage the day after the assassination.

FACT 17. Oswald left behind, presumably for wife Marina, his wedding ring and just about all the money he had ($170), on the morning of 22 Nov 1963, strongly suggesting that he didn't think he was coming back from work on.

FACT 18. Oswald was the only TSBD employee known to have been inside building at the time of the assassination, to leave work prematurely on 22 Nov 1963.

FACT 19. Oswald, in flight, shoots and kills Dallas patrolman J.D. Tippit on 10th Street in the Dallas suburb of Oak Cliff. Multiple witnesses confirm it was Oswald who shot Officer Tippit.

FACT 20. Oswald, just days after acquiring his Carcano weapon, attempts to murder retired General Edwin Walker in Dallas, on 10 Apr 1963. Marina Oswald herself testifies that "Lee told me...he just shot Walker".

FACT 21. Re-enactments showed that Oswald could easily have travelled, in 90 seconds or less, the distance across the sixth floor of the TSBD and descended the four flights of stairs in time to have been seen by policeman Marrion L. Baker on the building's second floor.

These are proven facts, and and as John Adams once said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."... In order to make your version of what really happened work, you will have to rigorously account for every one of these facts. "Nuh, didn't happen", out of hand dismissal without evidence, and hand-waving away inconvenient facts will not cut the mustard. Remember, by your own reasoning, if even ONE if these facts cannot be accounted for, then your whole house of cards comes crashing down around your neck.

By way of example, its not enough for you to use some specious and highly suspect dictabelt recordings to claim that there were five shots... you also have to account for why the vast majority of witnesses only heard three shots or less. If you cannot account for what the actual witnesses heard on the day of the assassination, then your dubious audio "evidence" is meaningless and irrelevant.

How about it manifesto? Time to front up with your theory of how it was done. You say you can prove it was a conspiracy, so you must know how you think it was done. Give us YOUR version of what actually happened, no delaying tactics, no BS. Tell us now... put up or shut up.
 
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No. I can prove there was a conspiracy and that the US Government covered it up and still do, 54 years later.

Hoo boy.

The opinion of some CT crank and your agreement with it doesn't constitute proof.

We've already reviewed the Mauser/Carcano nonsense so are we on our way back to 2014 so we can review Mark Lane's ******** stories or will "the smell of gunpowder" jive be recycled through the thread again? Jackie trying to retrieve fragments from the trunk as proof of a shot from the front or will you revisit "back and to the left?"

None of it worked last time around and it's not going to be any better this time around.
 
The proof is in the acoustical evidence. Show me the proof that refutes the acoustical evidence.

It's not proven, it's the very item under dispute. Claiming that what you need to prove is already proven is a classic example of the logical fallacy of begging the question.

Telling me I need to refute what you just begged the question about is the logical fallacy of shifting the burden of proof.

Two sentences, two logical fallacies.

Robert Harris could squeeze three or four logical fallacies in one sentence once he got rolling. You're not even close. You need to up your game if you're going to run with the big dogs.

Hank
 
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The assassination of JFK is the predictable result of an individual on the margins that had ambition but no talent.

He joined the Marines and wasn't appointed Commandant of The Marine Corps, so he took his marbles and ran away to the Soviet. The Soviets didn't put him in charge of the KGB and didn't name him Premier of the Soviet Union so he split from the Soviet with a wife he couldn't support.

After his return to the US and a bit of minor local celebrity as someone who had lived in the Soviet he had dead-end jobs and nobody was paying him the attention he believed he deserved.

He acquired a rifle and a handgun. If he was around today he'd probably be a school shooter. We've had a bunch of examples and they tend to be of a type. LHO fits right into that demographic.

He took a shot at Gen. Walker, missed, and true to the stereotype went after bigger game when the opportunity presented itself.

I believe he didn't expect to survive the shooting and wanted to go out in a blaze of (**********-up) glory. Because he didn't know anything about how the Secret Service worked he may have believed that the instant he fired on the motorcade he would have been on the receiving end of sustained machinegun fire - even though he wasn't a Marine grunt he may have participated in or witnessed a company level mad-minute exercise and mistakenly believed that was what he would be facing.

That's my condensed version of what I believe happened.

If you're up to the task, can you articulate exactly what you believe happened that day? no cribbing from CTist sites, just your own words.


I've seen the point made in several places, and I agree with it, that most mass shooters of today would fit right in with Lee Oswald, Mark Chapman, James Earl Ray and Sirhan Sirhan. Marginalized people looking to make a mark on the world and be famous without really caring why.
 
Its time to post this again.

manifesto, throughout all your postings here, in poking all your imaginary holes in the null hypothesis, and with all your self-delusional and feeble attempts at debunking the official story, you have not once given us YOUR account of how you think it all went down on 22 Nov 1963 in Dealey Plaza.

Tell us how it all went down manifesto; give us a blow by blow, minute by minute timeline of events, of how JFK was shot from the Grassy Knoll or wherever. You must account for ALL the evidence that makes up the official story. You have to account for at least ALL of the following facts....

FACT 1. Lee Harvey Oswald owned the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository on Friday afternoon, November 22, 1963.

FACT 2. Oswald owned the handgun that was shown to have been used in the murder of Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit.

FACT 3. Oswald was positively identified by witness Howard L. Brennan as the person firing a rifle at JFK on 11/22/63.

FACT 4. Marina Oswald admits to having taken pictures of Oswald with these weapons on his person,

FACT 5. Buell Wesley Frazier observed Oswald take a package into the Book Depository Building on the morning of November 22nd, 1963.

FACT 6. Oswald's claim this package contained "curtain rods" cannot be supported at all.

FACT 7. Oswald was seen working on the Depository's sixth floor that morning.

FACT 8. Oswald's palmprint [Warren Commission Exhibit #637] is found on his Mannlicher-Carcano rifle after the assassination.

FACT 9. It was proven that the alias "A.J. Hidell" [the alias used to purchase the rifle] was actually Oswald himself

FACT 10. The order form from Klein's Sporting Goods to purchase the mail-order rifle was positively proven to have been in Oswald's handwriting, and sent to a Dallas post-office box that was used by him.

FACT 11. No bullets or bullet fragments or spent shell casings other that those from Oswald Carcano were discovered anywhere in Dealey Plaza

FACT 12. The vast majority of Dealey Plaza witnesses said shots came from behind the President, in the direction of the TSBD.

FACT 12. The vast majority of witnesses said they heard exactly three shots fired. No more, no less.

FACT 13. Exactly three spent shell casings were found in the Sniper's Nest.

FACT 14. Every single one of the newsmen and reporters riding in the motorcade in Dealey Plaza, who were in a position to immediately report the shooting to the world via media outlets heard exactly three shots fired.

FACT 15. Every single one of these newsmen and reporters reported that the shots came from behind the motorcade... not one reported shots coming from the Grassy Knoll.

FACT 16. Oswald travels to Irving on 21 Nov 1963, to retrieve his "curtain rods". His rifle is found missing from Ruth Paine's garage the following day., and further, a package of actual curtain rods was still in that garage the day after the assassination.

FACT 17. Oswald left behind, presumably for wife Marina, his wedding ring and just about all the money he had ($170), on the morning of 22 Nov 1963, strongly suggesting that he didn't think he was coming back from work on.

FACT 18. Oswald was the only TSBD employee known to have been inside building at the time of the assassination, to leave work prematurely on 22 Nov 1963.

FACT 19. Oswald, in flight, shoots and kills Dallas patrolman J.D. Tippit on 10th Street in the Dallas suburb of Oak Cliff. Multiple witnesses confirm it was Oswald who shot Officer Tippit.

FACT 20. Oswald, just days after acquiring his Carcano weapon, attempts to murder retired General Edwin Walker in Dallas, on 10 Apr 1963. Marina Oswald herself testifies that "Lee told me...he just shot Walker".

FACT 21. Re-enactments showed that Oswald could easily have travelled, in 90 seconds or less, the distance across the sixth floor of the TSBD and descended the four flights of stairs in time to have been seen by policeman Marrion L. Baker on the building's second floor.

These are proven facts, and and as John Adams once said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."... In order to make your version of what really happened work, you will have to rigorously account for every one of these facts. "Nuh, didn't happen", out of hand dismissal without evidence, and hand-waving away inconvenient facts will not cut the mustard. Remember, by your own reasoning, if even ONE if these facts cannot be accounted for, then your whole house of cards comes crashing down around your neck.

By way of example, its not enough for you to use some specious and highly suspect dictabelt recordings to claim that there were five shots... you also have to account for why the vast majority of witnesses only heard three shots or less. If you cannot account for what the actual witnesses heard on the day of the assassination, then your dubious audio "evidence" is meaningless and irrelevant.

How about it manifesto? Time to front up with your theory of how it was done. You say you can prove it was a conspiracy, so you must know how you think it was done. Give us YOUR version of what actually happened, no delaying tactics, no BS. Tell us now... put up or shut up.

And it's companion piece from here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12270618&postcount=1855

There's nothing wrong with the evidence on either level.
  • Day marked the shells and testified to that. They meet the chain of custody required.
  • It's your pretense that if there are questions as to the authenticity, that evidence would be inadmissible. It wouldn't. It would go to the jury to consider, and to determine how much weight to put on the evidence of the shells.

The weapon was always Oswald's Carcano bearing the serial number of C2766.

While two men (Boone and Weitzman) did initially say it was (or appeared to be) a Mauser, neither man handled it. And the Carcano Italian weapon is built upon the Mauser design, so the Carcano is simply a knock-off of the better known German Mauser. So it's understandable that some would mistake the lesser-known knock-off for its better-known cousin.

And let's note that you claimed you were very well-read in this subject, so none of the below should come as a surprise to you. And any demands for the precise source of any of this [quoting it word-for-word, for instance] should be easy for you to locate, so any demands to provide all of the evidence for each point will be ignored by me:

And besides, all of this is in the thread, and most of it [and the source] was already spelled out for you in great detail:
  • Film of the rifle in the TSBD by Thomas Alyea shows a Carcano [HSCA photographic panel]
  • Photos of the rifle by J.C.Day in the TSBD show a Carcano [HSCA photographic panel]
  • Photos of the rifle by newsmen outside the TSBD show a Carcano [HSCA photographic panel]
  • Photos of the rifle by J.C.Day in the DPD Crime Lab show a Carcano [HSCA photographic panel]
  • Photos of the rifle by newsman in the DP Station show a Carcano [HSCA photographic panel]

But wait, there's more! We not only can establish what make and model it is, we can establish who owned it:
  • The rifle bore the serial number of C2766 [J.C.Day testimony, crime lab photos]
  • The rifle with the serial number of C2766 was shipped to PO Box 2915 [William Waldman testimony, Klein's business records]
  • The PO Box 2915 was owned by Lee Harvey Oswald [Harry Holmes testimony, PO business records]
  • The order form, the envelope, and the money order used to purchase the rifle were in Oswald's handwriting (Cadigan testimony, Cadigan exhibits, HSCA handwriting panel]

That's not enough? There's more!
  • Photographs of Oswald holding the rifle in question were taken with the Oswald's camera to the exclusion of all other cameras in the world [Marina Oswald testimony, FBI analysis, HSCA photographic panel]
  • Fibers from the blanket where it was stored in the Paine garage were found in the rifle [FBI analysis]
  • Oswald's fingerprint and palmprint is on the rifle on the trigger guard and under the barrel, respectively [Vincent Scalise affidavit, J.C.Day testimony]
  • Oswald was seen with a large paper sack the morning of the assassination by two witnesses [Wes Frazier, Linnie Mae Randle testimony].
  • A large sack was recovered from the Depository in the corner by the Sniper's nest that bore Oswald's print [Studebaker testimony, FBI analysis].
  • Numerous witnesses saw a man resembling Oswald in the Sniper's Nest Window [Brennan, Fischer, Edwards, et. al.].

Still not convinced? There's more!
  • Ballistic evidence ties the rifle with the serial number C2766 found in the Depository to the three shells, two large fragments, and one nearly whole bullet recovered from the depository, the limo, and the hospital, respectively [FBI analysis, HSCA analysis]

Still not convinced it was Oswald's rifle found on 11/22/63 in the Depository?
On the afternoon of 11/22/63, police arrived at the Paine residence and asked Mrs. Paine if Oswald owned a rifle. She said no, but translated the question for Marina. Marina answered yes, and directed the police to the blanket in the Paine garage. She said Oswald's rifle was within the blanket. But when a policeman picked up the blanket, it hung limp. It contained no rifle. Where was Oswald's rifle, and why would it be missing on the day Oswald was seen with a long package?

Are you going to continue to pretend none of this is evidence, or that you've never seen this evidence, while also continuing to pretend you're well-read on this subject?

Are you going to pretend there was a "Mauser turned Carcano turned murder weapon"?
That claim is a load of horse manure.

Hank
 
I said ”tend to stick”. Of course there is no guarantee, especially so many years after the event.

- No matter where McLain was when Mrs. Kennedy crawled on the back of the limo, he couldn’t have been where he say he was.

1. IF he is the Dorman cop, he was at the intersection, not standing still in the middle of Houston Street.

2. IF he is NOT the Dorman cop, Courson is, and McLain is exactly where the acoustical evidence is positioning him, further down the Elm Street.

3. Courson’s memory of being at the intersection seeing Mrs. Kennedy up on the back of the limo is corroborated by the Dorman film, IF he is the Dorman cop.

That is, the converging of the photographic evidence and the testimonies is further corroborating the scientific acoustical proof of five shots being fired at JFK on Elm Street.

My apologizes, as I haven't followed the thread for a couple of days. The way I read this even if Courson is the cop stopped to watch Jackie climb on the Lincoln at the intersection then he is at/near position one in the array not the last position that the open mikes needs to be located. So it does not matter, the open mike is not in position.
 
I said ”tend to stick”. Of course there is no guarantee, especially so many years after the event.

- No matter where McLain was when Mrs. Kennedy crawled on the back of the limo, he couldn’t have been where he say he was.

1. IF he is the Dorman cop, he was at the intersection, not standing still in the middle of Houston Street.

2. IF he is NOT the Dorman cop, Courson is, and McLain is exactly where the acoustical evidence is positioning him, further down the Elm Street.

3. Courson’s memory of being at the intersection seeing Mrs. Kennedy up on the back of the limo is corroborated by the Dorman film, IF he is the Dorman cop.

That is, the converging of the photographic evidence and the testimonies is further corroborating the scientific acoustical proof of five shots being fired at JFK on Elm Street.

We've already posted photos and videos of McLain NOT BEING WHERE THE HSCA THINKS HE WAS.

At this point you have nothing.
 
I've never seen this display. I find it odd that JBC reacted to a shot 160, but I see no reaction by JFK, an ex-military?

If you look at the sequence of 147 through 152 you can see him pull in his right hand and look around, and most importantly you can see the Secret Service man riding on the rear step of the car behind the President looking down to the street, and under the car looking for the fire-cracker he thought had been tossed at the motorcade.

Hank probably can name him, he testified to this action in the Warren Commission, and it is clearly visible. That's why some think the first shot comes much earlier.
 
https://imgur.com/a/9VMevQH

McLain 174 feet away from where he needs to be, with less than a second to get there if the shot is at Z160, less than 1.5 seconds to get there if the shot is at Z175.

Even if you use the completely unproven 3 second figure, from where he clearly is in this picture, he needs to accelerate to an over 40mph AVERAGE SPEED over that distance to get to the right spot.

Ergo, it didn't happen.
How do you know the exact time he had to his disposal to reach the spot to pick up the sound from the first shot?

I'm not. McLain himself says he hadn't made the turn from Houston to Elm by the time the shooting was over.

If McLain kept his place in the motorcade where he'd been travelling the whole time, and averaged in the neighborhood of 10mph for that stretch, he would have been exactly where the Dorman rider was.

I'm just going where the evidence leads.
No, you are not. You go where you want them to lead you. Big difference.

McLain is saying that he stopped at the middle of Houston, between Main and Elm, looking down the park and saw Mrs. Kennedy crawling on the trunk of the limo. It is exactly at the same time the Dorman cop is reachig the Houston/Elm intersection.

Was he at two places at the same time?

Sneed, Larry A., 1998, page 163.

Mr. CORNWELL. Do you have a memory of hearing any shots while you were in Dealey Plaza?
Mr. McLAIN. I only remember hearing one.
Mr. CORNWELL. And approximately where were you when you heard that shot?
Mr. McLAIN. I was approximately halfway between Main and Elm Streets on Houston.
Mr. CORNWELL. So you would have heard it sometime after the picture was taken in exhibit F-671, the last one on the right?
Mr. McLAIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. CORNWELL. And before you got to the corner and turned the corner from Houston onto Elm; is that correct?
Mr. McLAIN. That's correct.
Mr. CORNWELL. When you heard the shot, what, if anything, did you look at or what did you do?
Mr. McLAIN. I Just looked up the street and the only thing was a bunch of pigeons flew out behind the school book depository.
Mr. CORNWELL. So you heard the shot, your memory was, looking up, seeing the school book depository in front of you, and the pigeons fly off?
Mr. McLAIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. CORNWELL. After you heard this shot, would it be accurate to state that you continued on motorbike, made the corner from Houston onto Elm, and started down Elm Street?
Mr. McLAIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. CORNWELL. At some point thereafter did you hear anything with respect to what was going on? Did you hear any radio broadcast?
Mr. McLAIN. Yes, sir. The chief came on across the radio and said head back for Parkland Hospital.
Mr. CORNWELL. Now had you personally had any occasion on that day, to your memory, to use your radio, to talk through it?
Mr. McLAIN. No, sir.
Mr. CORNWELL. Do you have a distinct memory of what channel your radio was set on?
Mr. McLAIN. It's normally set on channel 1.
Mr. CORNWELL. And do you remember anything differently on that day?
Mr. McLAIN. No, sir.
Mr. CORNWELL. The answer is no?
Mr. McLAIN. Nope.


You're lying. Care to explain why?
No, the one who is lying is clearly, McLain.

Any idea why he would do that?

OK, so now that you've seen McLain's actual testimony, are you standing by this statement? Did this event "stick" for McLain? An event of this kind tends to stick, right?

I guess that's that.
Yes, an event like this tend to stick. Courson is consistent in his testimony through and through, with the photographic evidence corrobrating it in the Dorman film.

McLain is changing his testimony when realizing it supports the acoustical evidence saying that the president was assassinated by a conspiracy.

Where do you put your trust, and why?
 
We've already posted photos and videos of McLain NOT BEING WHERE THE HSCA THINKS HE WAS.

At this point you have nothing.
No, you have not. There is NO known photographic record of any of the spots at the right time of the recorded rifle shots. None.

The only way to go is by inference from the existing photographic record and NO, no one has proved from this that McLain couldn’t have been at this spots at the right time.

On the contrary, the convergence of existing photographic evidence positions him exactly where he has to be for his stuck mike to pick up the sounds from the rifle shots recorded on the DPD ch-1 dictabelt.

On top of this, there is the acoustical evidence recorded on said dictabelt, PROVING that five rifle shots was fired at JFK at the precise time as the real event, and that McLain is the only MC cop who could have been on the bike with the stuck mike picking up the five impulse patterns from said rifle shots.

This is scientific PROOF of a conspiracy and that Oswald did not kill JFK, since the fatal shot was fired from the picket fence on the knoll i front of JFK, with a probability of less than1/100 000 being random noise.

Oswald is supposed to have been shooting from the TSBD, from the behind of the president.

Proof.
 
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