Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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Agatha said:
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Alrighty, now Agatha what happened to my last post?

Never mind the page didn't update to page 50
 
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bknight said:
All quiet on the western front? No paper trail proving Myers is a hoaxer? No pseudo science claims?
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I was wondering the same thing. Did we confuse him with maths? Did he run out of MaryFerrell material to crib from?
 
Agatha said:
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1. What is Swedish math?
2. Who is using that, then?
 
HSienzant said:
Manifesto claimed he was from Europe somewhere - Norway, I think.
Norway, Sweden, what's the difference?

Hank
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begging the question, why would he care what was done in the US 55 years ago...........or ever?
 
Whip said:
begging the question, why would he care what was done in the US 55 years ago...........or ever?
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The CTer I used to know, worries alot about the FEMA Death Camps. This is according to wikipedia, an American Conspiracy and he's from The Netherlands.

bknight said:
Because he is smarter and more clever than everyone and "knows" what really happened in Dealey Plaza.
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FTFY! :thumbsup:
 
Whip said:
begging the question, why would he care what was done in the US 55 years ago...........or ever?
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Because the CIA is the evilest of evil doers. CIA controls everything and everyone, and it's his job to point this out because the JFK assassination "changed everything".

The problem is that the scenario he embraces not only does not work operationally, and is not supported by the sober evidence, and is not reflective of how operated in 1963.

I keep telling people that Oswald left enough dark corners in his life between 1962 and 1963 that could offer hope for conspiracy theorists. The problem is that it's nothing sexy like multiple gunmen in Dealey Plaza, and a massive government coverup carrier across multiple government and state agencies.

Right now there is a CIA memo from the last document dump from the Mexico City Station advising Langley to pass along information that Oswald had visited both the Soviet and Cuban embassies to the FBI, and that the FBI take a closer look at him. That information was never passed from Langley to the FBI...I think this is as close as CTists can ever get.
 
Axxman300 said:
Because the CIA is the evilest of evil doers. CIA controls everything and everyone, and it's his job to point this out because the JFK assassination "changed everything".

The problem is that the scenario he embraces not only does not work operationally, and is not supported by the sober evidence, and is not reflective of how operated in 1963.

I keep telling people that Oswald left enough dark corners in his life between 1962 and 1963 that could offer hope for conspiracy theorists. The problem is that it's nothing sexy like multiple gunmen in Dealey Plaza, and a massive government coverup carrier across multiple government and state agencies.

Right now there is a CIA memo from the last document dump from the Mexico City Station advising Langley to pass along information that Oswald had visited both the Soviet and Cuban embassies to the FBI, and that the FBI take a closer look at him. That information was never passed from Langley to the FBI...I think this is as close as CTists can ever get.
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IIRC you've previously mentioned that who in particular could be proven to have been speaking w/ LHO prior to Walker/Kennedy may be illuminating (Who will rid me of this troublesome Priest?)

I agree.

As far as evidence of LHO's guilt, there's a bunch, and my .02 is that the reason the after shooting evidence of his actions is so off the wall is that he had the mistaken idea that if he fired on the motorcade, the Secret Service et al would immediately engage him with sustained fire and he couldn't survive the shooting.

He had no idea that the first job of the protective detail would be to remove the principals from the threat zone. When there was no return fire, LHO was surprised but had no plan to escape, and we know how that all played out.

My apologies to the mods and the other rational posters in the thread. I went off the reservation and this isn't my house. I should have been thinking about the TOS. I personalized the posts past what is acceptable and I will take the TOS into account in my future posts.
 
bknight said:
Because he is smarter and more clever than most revyone and "knows" what really happened in Dealey Plaza.
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Don't all CTs think they are smarter and cleverer than everyone else and claim to "know" what really happened? Aren't the workings of the CTs mind the very definition of Dunning-Kruger Effect?
 
BStrong said:
IIRC you've previously mentioned that who in particular could be proven to have been speaking w/ LHO prior to Walker/Kennedy may be illuminating (Who will rid me of this troublesome Priest?)

I agree.

As far as evidence of LHO's guilt, there's a bunch, and my .02 is that the reason the after shooting evidence of his actions is so off the wall is that he had the mistaken idea that if he fired on the motorcade, the Secret Service et al would immediately engage him with sustained fire and he couldn't survive the shooting.

He had no idea that the first job of the protective detail would be to remove the principals from the threat zone. When there was no return fire, LHO was surprised but had no plan to escape, and we know how that all played out.
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The fact that he gave Marina all the money he had plus his wedding ring strongly supports the idea that he expected to die. That amount ($170) doesn't sound like a lot, but it was two weeks wages (on minimum wage) in 1963, equivalent to around $1400 today.

BStrong said:
My apologies to the mods and the other rational posters in the thread. I went off the reservation and this isn't my house. I should have been thinking about the TOS. I personalized the posts past what is acceptable and I will take the TOS into account in my future posts.
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No worries.

Dunning Kruger sufferers cannot bear the idea that someone else might have more knowledge on any subject than they do (remember, they think know everything about everything and more than anyone else knows). When they realise they are out of their depth in regards to a discussion involving a subject, they feel they have no option other than to do what they always do in such a situation. ... attack their opponents knowledge as irrelevant and meaningless, and belittle their opponent by making them out to be obsessed in that subject field.

This is what happened to you with regard to your obvious extensive knowledge of firearms. You were drawn into justifying your interest and showing that you are not a one-trick-pony. You did exactly what manifesto was trying to get you to do. I've fallen for this little game myself in the past.
 
BStrong said:
As far as evidence of LHO's guilt, there's a bunch, and my .02 is that the reason the after shooting evidence of his actions is so off the wall is that he had the mistaken idea that if he fired on the motorcade, the Secret Service et al would immediately engage him with sustained fire and he couldn't survive the shooting.

He had no idea that the first job of the protective detail would be to remove the principals from the threat zone. When there was no return fire, LHO was surprised but had no plan to escape, and we know how that all played out.
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I agree that at some point he was hoping to shoot it out with the cops. Like you said here once, had Tippet been "Switched On" when he encountered Oswald this might have ended right there on the sidewalk with Tippet being a hero. He certainly almost scored another dead cop in the theater and that would have ended with his death.

For all of the insults DPD has taken over this case you have to be impressed that they took him alive being a suspected cop-killer.

You have to wonder what would have happened to the cop who found him in the second floor lunchroom if Oswald had brought his pistol with him.
 
Thanks, but I was out of line.

The poster in question wasn't up to the task of discussing any aspects of the assassination, and rather than letting it go, threw rocks, in a house not mine.

If history is any guide he'll be back in a couple of years with the same material and I'll have the opportunity to do the right thing then.
 
tinribmancer said:
The vlag.

Didn't know he was scandinavian.

Have there ever been nutters on this site that claimed that Kennedy killed himself?
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So, now the Lone Nutters are calling the non Lone Nutters for, nutters?

It is like when conspiracy theorists are calling all those who not believe in the Bush-junta conspiracy theory of 19 bad arab muslims attacking USA 9/11, 2001 for, conspiracy theorists.

Same same but same same?
 
manifesto said:
So, now the Lone Nutters are calling the non Lone Nutters for, nutters?

It is like when conspiracy theorists are calling all those who not believe in the Bush-junta conspiracy theory of 19 bad arab muslims attacking USA 9/11, 2001 for, conspiracy theorists.

Same same but same same?
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The difference between a conspiracy theory and Conspiracy Theory was explained, at length, to you and elsewhere in the thread.

Pro Tip: pretending to take the moral high ground while calling anybody a “nutter” will convince few people of your sincerity.
 
manifesto said:
So, now the Lone Nutters are calling the non Lone Nutters for, nutters?
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Do you prefer 'conspiracy buff'? -- the term used in the mid-to-late 60s. It put purchasing books on the JFK assassination on the same level as someone who built model railroads. I hated the term when I was a conspiracy buff, reading everything I could get my hands on that was published alleging a conspiracy. It wasn't until I read the Warren Commission 26 volumes of evidence that I stopped being a buff and started becoming a researcher.

Or how about 'loon'? That was the term used in the early 1990s on Prodigy to distinguish them from 'lone nutters' - a term that has survived since then while 'loon' has not.

There's also conspiracy fringe, historical revisionist, crank, conspiratard, crackpot and tin foil hat.

What's your preferred reference name -- "Oh, exalted one"?
 
manifesto said:
So, now the Lone Nutters are calling the non Lone Nutters for, nutters?

It is like when conspiracy theorists are calling all those who not believe in the Bush-junta conspiracy theory of 19 bad arab muslims attacking USA 9/11, 2001 for, conspiracy theorists.

Same same but same same?
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So little substance. Typical CT.

What was the guy's name who made up a whole back story around silenced weapons and startle reactions? He was wrong but at least he could carry on a conversation.

It's been a while since we've had a CT who could do that.
 
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