Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

[manifesto]

And he exemplifies it in his very next post.

manifesto, you need to get busy answering all those outstanding questions. You haven't advanced your case one bit. The null hypothesis doesn't even know you exist yet.

To lick up to power is a very prominent part to this posture. To listen to your masters voice

 

[Axxman300]

No. The probability is NOT dependent on an assumtion of anything. The probability stands alone. W&A said that IF the five impulse patterns were not recorded at Dealey Plaza, it has to been recorded at a place mimicing Dealey Plaza exactly, rifle shots and all, OR being random noise for which the probability is less than one in a hundred thousand times 0.05 x 5 times the topographical order in the data = 1/125.

The chance for all this being random is on a pair with Scientific Proof if such has ever existed.

Du you understand?

- The proof of A mike being in the right place is in the science of the acoustical evidence.

- The proof that it must have been McLain is in the process of elimination building on the existing photographic record.

You have to counter this with one or both of the following:

1. Refute the acoustical evidence with a probability stronger than the evidence in the HSCA reports from its joint acoustical scientific investigiation.

2. Prove that McLain couldn’t possibly be at the right spots at the right time for his mike to pick up the sounds from the five rifle shots as shown by the acoustical evidence.

Can you do this?

1 or 2 or both.

Boiling this one down, here's what you're saying:

McLain, who WAS THERE, whose transceiver was on, says he was just making the turn onto Elm Street when the last shot was fired. Photographs and film evidence support his claim.

W&A were NOT IN DEALEY PLAZA DURING THE ASSASSINATION, and based their "scientific" work on the assumption that McLain was on Elm Street when all three shots are fired.

You choose to believe the guys WHO WERE NOT PRESENT DURING THE ASSASSINATION over the man at the center of the mis-applied acoustic science WHO WAS THERE.

Totally checking off the boxes for standard CT argument.

 

[RoboTimbo]

No, I request evidence and/or good arguments of how this concepts are applied on the issues at hand.

Evidence of what?

Keep repeting them without such an explanation is like chanting a religious mantra trying to trancend the boundaries of material reality itself.

We keep repeating them hoping you will finally understand them. There doesn't seem to be much hope of that.

A fully legitimate endevour for those who feel the calling, but not in a forum for scientific scepticism.

Or?

What is your comprehensive hypothesis for how JFK was assassinated? With all of the evidence you think you have, you should have a fully formed one by now.

 

[traxy]

To lick up to power is a very prominent part to this posture. To listen to your masters voice

Is this it now? You've been exposed as a fraud, so you're just going to stop attempting to defend your positions altogether and instead just ****-talk people incessantly?

 

[Axxman300]

No, I request evidence and/or good arguments of how this concepts are applied on the issues at hand.

Keep repeting them without such an explanation is like chanting a religious mantra trying to trancend the boundaries of material reality itself.

A fully legitimate endevour for those who feel the calling, but not in a forum for scientific scepticism.

Or?

You should go to the American Embassy in your country and fill out an application to work for the CIA. You have CIA Middle Management under Pompeo written all over you. Maybe you can link WMD's to a country with better food.

 

[manifesto]

Not a rebuttal of any point made in this thread. No evidence provided whatsoever for the assertion about the CIA.

Do you dispute the fact that Max Holland is a long time asset to the CIA?

Religious beliefs have no place in this discussion.

Hank

Couldn’t agree more. Irony does.

Have a place.

 

[manifesto]

You've been exposed as a fraud,

Where?

And, I’m still waiting for you to present the ”acoustical experts” who concluded that the first shot had to have been fired at Z-160.

Am I waiting in vain?

 

[traxy]

Take a look at RoboTimbos posts in this thread. The user has been stalking and harassing me with nonsense one-liners since day one.

Sometimes I respond, often times, not.

Any chance I can get a response on my math problem from this morning? You don't seem very eager to address it.

 

[manifesto]

You should go to the American Embassy in your country and fill out an application to work for the CIA. You have CIA Middle Management under Pompeo written all over you. Maybe you can link WMD's to a country with better food.

No I shouldn’t. In order to thrive in the CIA you need to be a sociopath who likes to lie for food.

I do not qualify.

 

[traxy]

Where?

And, I’m still waiting for you to present the ”acoustical experts” who concluded that the first shot had to have been fired at Z-160.

Am I waiting in vain?

I quoted "acoustical experts" from the Myers study. Turns out it was film analysis and witness testimony that put the first shot at Z160. I'll make that minor correction.

With that out of the way...

For arguments sake, put the first shot exactly where you want to put it, at Z175. It makes no difference. McLain still could not have been in the proper position.

 

[manifesto]

Any chance I can get a response on my math problem from this morning? You don't seem very eager to address it.

Of course I’ll respond to it but first some clarifications.

1. Who were the ”acoustical experts” that WC consulted and that concluded that the first shot had to correspond to Z-160? It’s ok if there wasn’t any and that you made a mistake, we all do now and then, but this had to be cleared.

2. Shall I take it that your new numbers (the math) that you are refering to and that gives McLain almost a second more to reach the spot, are the numbers you are going to stick to?

This is necessary to clear before going any further.

 

[traxy]

Of course I’ll respond to it but first some clearifications.

1. Who were the ”acoustical experts” that WC consulted and that concluded that the first shot had to correspond to Z-160? It’s ok if there wasn’t any and that you made a mistake, we all do now and then, but this had to be cleared.

Already addressed. Look up.

2. Shall I take it that your new numbers (the math) that you are refering to and that gives McLain almost a second more to reach the spot, are the numbers you are going to stick to?

This is necessary to clear before going any further.

I'm using your timing of the first shot as being at Z175.

 

[manifesto]

I quoted "acoustical experts" from the Myers study. Turns out it was film analysis and witness testimony that put the first shot at Z160. I'll make that minor correction.

Good. We all make minor mistakes now and then, no worries.

With that out of the way...

For arguments sake, put the first shot exactly where you want to put it, at Z175. It makes no difference. McLain still could not have been in the proper position.

Yes, it makes all the difference, for the timing in this specific case (first shot), but more important, the over all analyses of the event.

I certainly hope that you stick to this Z-175 for the first shot when discussing the rest of the evidence.

To be continued in a stort while.

 

[traxy]

To be continued in a stort while.

I will wait with baited bated breath.

 

[carlitos]

I will wait with baited breath.

bated

 

[OKBob]

Hofstadter is a catch all for you and your kind to wave everytime someone have suspicions of state crimes against democracy.

Please define me and my kind.

 

[Axxman300]

Do you dispute the fact that Max Holland is a long time asset to the CIA?

I do.

Holland is a journalist who has written extensively and honestly about espionage and intelligence collection.

The fact that he doesn't spew vengeful paranoid CT rhetoric against the CIA doesn't make him an asset to the CIA, just means he's honest, and at the very least not mentally ill.

For the grownups in the room, Max Holland has a blog:

http://www.maxholland.info/

Wiki says he's working on a book about the founding of the Warren Commission.

And just for fun, if Holland was a CIA asset then he be the one guy who knows when the first shot was fired based upon CT rules of logic.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Hint: look at Kyoon's threads. He occasionally says stuff like this aswell.

I've seen some of his. I don't think I ever interacted with him, though, so they didn't stick in my mind.

I wanna bet that manifesto thinks that you're being spoon-fed by the "lame-stream" media to believe whatever they tell you to believe, which is another tactic twoofers use against people who don't believe them.

This seems to be some sort of common character flaw in CTs - projection. They rely only on their CT websites for all of their information and don't have a clue what the actual source documents say. We test them by asking questions about those source docs, which they can't answer, and then they get so insanely irate that they start calling their critics brainwashed.

Note how manifesto is a typical CT.

 

[traxy]

bated

...crap

 

[Whip]

To lick up to power is a very prominent part to this posture. To listen to your masters voice

since you're not going to read the evidence and realize how wrong you are, and no one here is going to jump in the conspiracy bandwagon, why do you still come here instead of hanging at the places you allegedly change the minds of? No one is keeping you here yet you insist on coming back over and over to insult people.