Cont: The Trump Presidency VI

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logger said:
Obama is the one who LEFT the vacancies, and is out of office.
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According to the article you posted there were 4 vacancies when Obama left office. Now there are 7.

For someone who is setting a lot of stock by this article, you don't appear to have actually read it very carefully.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
According to the article you posted there were 4 vacancies when Obama left office. Now there are 7.
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What does that even matter? Obama left them, Trump gained even more. What’s important is the court is going to be changed.

For someone who is setting a lot of stock by this article, you don't appear to have actually read it very carefully.
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Lol

What are you on about? Trump has a chance to change the court. It looks like you didn’t read the article.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Yes, because Trump dumped lighter fluid all over him and struck the match just before pushing him under the bus.

This is where the tapatalk signature that annoys people used to be
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The just truly bizarre thing is that there are plenty of people who know how to keep this from happening in this town. It's not like there's some secret of how to avoid fundamentally flawed nominees. Both parties have people who work in administrations who can prevent these things. The fact that the people who can protect an administration, aren't working in the administration speaks volumes.
 
logger said:
What does that even matter? Obama left them, Trump gained even more. What’s important is the court is going to be changed.

Lol

What are you on about? Trump has a chance to change the court. It looks like you didn’t read the article.
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You really have a bizarre logic. That Trump is President by itself says that Trump has a chance to change the court. That's part of the powers enumerated to his office.

Arguing that Obama was a bumbling idiot because a Republican Congress refuse to hold hearings DOESN'T make Obama a bumbling idiot. OTOH, that Trump has so many vacancies despite having a Republican Senate might say something about his competence.
 
acbytesla said:
You really have a bizarre logic. That Trump is President by itself says that Trump has a chance to change the court. That's part of the powers enumerated to his office.
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What’s bizarre, I’m just ecstatic over it. I don’t disagree with this.
Arguing that Obama was a bumbling idiot because a Republican Congress refuse to hold hearings DOESN'T make Obama a bumbling idiot. OTOH, that Trump has so many vacancies despite having a Republican Senate might say something about his competence.
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First of all. It was strategic for the republicans to hold up Obama. Trump has time to get it done. Besides, I said bumbling incompetent.
 
logger said:
First of all. It was strategic for the republicans to hold up Obama. Trump has time to get it done. Besides, I said bumbling incompetent.
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Still twisted. Yes it was strategic for the Republicans to hold up Obama...so that DOESN'T make Obama's inability to fill the courts as bumbling incompetence. As for Trump still having time, maybe not. If the Democrats win back the Senate, they are just as likely to hold up Trump's nominees.
 
acbytesla said:
Still twisted. Yes it was strategic for the Republicans to hold up Obama...so that DOESN'T make Obama's inability to fill the courts as bumbling incompetence. As for Trump still having time, maybe not. If the Democrats win back the Senate, they are just as likely to hold up Trump's nominees.
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It’s obvious his picks were too extreme. It is his job to get these appointments done.
 
logger said:
It’s obvious his picks were too extreme. It is his job to get these appointments done.
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Abject BS. Obama intentionally nominated centrists like Garland, who had previously been supported by Republicans, and Republicans made it clear it simply didn't matter -- NO Obama nominations.
 
logger said:
It’s obvious his picks were too extreme. It is his job to get these appointments done.
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You previously said it was strategy that caused the Republicans to hold up nominations. Now you are saying they were 'too extreme which is hardly the case. Garland wasn't close to what might be described as extreme. The American Bar Association Standing Committee on the Federal Judiciary gave Garland a "unanimously well-qualified" committee rating, its highest.[26] Garland is considered a judicial moderate and a centrist.[38]
 
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Craig4 said:
I see Trump's unqualified VA nominee is gong down in flames. When Trump fails the nation succeeds.
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If it wasn't for the serious consequences of Ronny Jackson actually getting appointed to the position, I would love for this guy to stick to his guns and not withdraw his run for the position. Just to watch the confirmation hearings I can't wait to see their GOP members lobbing softball questions at him. It seems the White House and The President are standing behind their pick. It seems he already has his first lie on record. When asked directly if there was an IG report about him he said "no".
 
acbytesla said:
You previously said it was strategy that caused the Republicans to hold up nominations. Now you are saying they were 'too extreme which is hardly the case. Garland wasn't close to what might be described as extreme. The American Bar Association Standing Committee on the Federal Judiciary gave Garland a "unanimously well-qualified" committee rating, its highest.[26] Garland is considered a judicial moderate and a centrist.[38]
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Garland was a very important pick to block. Well qualified doesn’t have anything to do with a judges political leanings. These others were obviously too extreme for republicans to move them forward.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Abject BS. Obama intentionally nominated centrists like Garland, who had previously been supported by Republicans, and Republicans made it clear it simply didn't matter -- NO Obama nominations.
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Centrist. Lol There aren’t any democrat centrists.

Besides it was a bold and brilliant move by McConnell to block him.

Now Trump needs to get rolling and change this Court.
 
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logger said:
Garland was a very important pick to block. Well qualified doesn’t have anything to do with a judges political leanings. These others were obviously too extreme for republicans to move them forward.
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LOL, yeah, centrists are too extreme for perfectly normal people like [snip] Senate Republicans. :rolleyes:

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logger said:
Garland was a very important pick to block. Well qualified doesn’t have anything to do with a judges political leanings. These others were obviously too extreme for republicans to move them forward.
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Garland was a moderate and a centrist. The fact is the GOP didn't care. They made a bet that if they could win in November they could nominate a significantly more conservative justice. A bet they won. But Garland wasn't extreme. BTW, they made the same bet when Bill Clinton nominated him to the DC court in 96. He was re-nominated in 97. There was a good bet that if Hillary had won she would have nominated someone more liberal.

That you attribute this to Obama's incompetence says more about the glasses you view everything more than anything else.
 
logger said:
Somehow we went from Obama’s failure to get judges through, which leaves it up to president Trump. To liberal historians telling us how great Obama’s Presidency was. Which is in the process of being erased.
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I assumed you saw the detailed info I was referencing, posted in the N. Korea thread. Seems now that might not be true. So here we go again.

Ranking broken down by party and ideology:

Trump:

  • Republican - 40
  • Democrat - 44
  • Independent/other - 43
  • Conservative - 40
  • Liberal - 44
  • Moderate - 44
Overall ranking (2018) (out of 44) - 44

Obama:

  • Republican - 16
  • Democrat - 6
  • Independent/other - 12
  • Conservative - 22
  • Liberal - 6
  • Moderate - 11
Overall ranking (2018) (out of 44) - 8

So...

Presidential historians identified as Republican place Obama 24 spots higher than Trump. For historians IDing as Conservative, Trump is 18 places down from Obama.

Official Results of the 2018 Presidents & Executive Politics Presidential Greatness Survey - Brandon Rottinghaus, University of Houston and Justin S. Vaughn, Boise State University
 
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Regnad Kcin said:
I assumed you saw the detailed info I was referencing, posted in the N. Korea thread. Seems now that might not be true. So here we go again.

Ranking broken down by party and ideology:

Trump:

  • Republican - 40
  • Democrat - 44
  • Independent/other - 43
  • Conservative - 40
  • Liberal - 44
  • Moderate - 44
Overall ranking (2018) (out of 44) - 44

Obama:

  • Republican - 16
  • Democrat - 6
  • Independent/other - 12
  • Conservative - 22
  • Liberal - 6
  • Moderate - 11
Overall ranking (2018) (out of 44) - 8

So...

Presidential historians identified as Republican place Obama 24 spots higher than Trump. For historians IDing as Conservative, Trump is 18 places down from Obama.

Official Results of the 2018 Presidents & Executive Politics Presidential Greatness Survey - Brandon Rottinghaus, University of Houston and Justin S. Vaughn, Boise State University
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It’s completely made up. Obama’s Presidency didn’t accomplish very much at all. There is clear bias when you see him near the top and in front of Reagan. Trump is just getting started, to show him in this survey is more proof it’s BS.
 
logger said:
It’s completely made up. Obama’s Presidency didn’t accomplish very much at all. There is clear bias when you see him near the top and in front of Reagan. Trump is just getting started, to show him in this survey is more proof it’s BS.
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No.
 
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