Brexit: Now What? Part IV

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ceptimus said:
I'd like to give all countries equal rights - but at the moment that is precluded by the Good Friday Agreement. At least we will only have one "special rights" country after Brexit, instead of twenty-seven, so that will make our immigration policy much fairer than it currently is, and much fairer than the countries that remain in the EU.
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It is precluded by the Common Travel AreaWP dating back to the 1920s and the earliest days of the Irish Free State, which
is an open borders area comprising the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Ireland, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Islands​
So xenophobes can't mess about with it unless they are willing to risk cutting off residents of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man from free access to the UK.
 
Craig B said:
It is precluded by the Common Travel AreaWP dating back to the 1920s and the earliest days of the Irish Free State, which
is an open borders area comprising the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Ireland, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Islands​
So xenophobes can't mess about with it unless they are willing to risk cutting off residents of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man from free access to the UK.
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Well those places are not part of the UK, so why should they get special treatment?

ceptimus said:
I'd like to give all countries equal rights - but at the moment that is precluded by the Good Friday Agreement. At least we will only have one "special rights" country after Brexit, instead of twenty-seven, so that will make our immigration policy much fairer than it currently is, and much fairer than the countries that remain in the EU.
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I guess the different statuses that govern Visa requirements don't count as "special rights".

Then again, the UK gives special rights to people from 52 other countries that are "Commonwealth citizens". Are you suggesting that those countries should also lose their special rights or is this one okay because it's primarily made up of the remnants of the Empire?
 
You can safely ignore Ceptimus's aim for a fair non location specific immigration policy removing 'white' bias. That is not what the people of this country voted for. They specifically voted to keep out those from outside the EU with their dark and dusky hues.
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Part of the trouble is that these politicians and journalists and economists are lacking in the grey matter to deal with Brexit. They don't have the departmental or executive experience. Man cannot live on bitcoin alone.
 
Henri McPhee said:
Part of the trouble is that these politicians and journalists and economists are lacking in the grey matter to deal with Brexit. They don't have the departmental or executive experience. Man cannot live on bitcoin alone.
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How are journalists dealing with Brexit ? They are merely reporting on it.

What evidence do you have that economists lack the grey matter to deal with Brexit ? As with all things economic, economists draw a range of conclusions based on their own models, preconceptions and so forth, but from what I've seen, there no lack of grey matter being applied.

Who do you think should be dealing with Brexit ?
 
Craig B said:
It is precluded by the Common Travel AreaWP dating back to the 1920s and the earliest days of the Irish Free State, which
is an open borders area comprising the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Ireland, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Islands​
So xenophobes can't mess about with it unless they are willing to risk cutting off residents of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man from free access to the UK.
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But those are not EU members so it isn't a problem. Ireland is. So the UK needs to decide if it wants open borders with the EU or a hard border in Ireland. There really isn't a third option.
 
ponderingturtle said:
But those are not EU members so it isn't a problem. Ireland is. So the UK needs to decide if it wants open borders with the EU or a hard border in Ireland. There really isn't a third option.
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That doesn't alter the fact that the Common Travel Area, which permits free travel between the U.K. and the RoI, is the arrangement that includes the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. The open border with the RoI is determined by aggreements over and above the UK's membership of the EU.
 
Craig B said:
That doesn't alter the fact that the Common Travel Area, which permits free travel between the U.K. and the RoI, is the arrangement that includes the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. The open border with the RoI is determined by aggreements over and above the UK's membership of the EU.
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So a closed boarder but free entrance to the Irish? The US ran into problems giving differential treatment to some EU countries and not others. Not sure it will work.
 
Craig B said:
That doesn't alter the fact that the Common Travel Area, which permits free travel between the U.K. and the RoI, is the arrangement that includes the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. The open border with the RoI is determined by aggreements over and above the UK's membership of the EU.
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Makes you wonder. If the common travel area means we can have no control over our borders and we must let anyone and everyone through from Ireland unhindered, why were the leave campaign making such a big deal about it and promising leaving the EU would bring back control?
 
Lothian said:
Makes you wonder. If the common travel area means we can have no control over our borders and we must let anyone and everyone through from Ireland unhindered, why were the leave campaign making such a big deal about it and promising leaving the EU would bring back control?
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Because they're liars. Both now and then.

Why we continue on this course of action when the reasons presented by those who advocated it are demonstrated to be lies is beyond me.

Why we continue on this course of action when those self same liars clearly realise it's a bad idea with passport acquisition (Chris the Maltese Kiwi), ensuring their children can move freely in Europe (Farage's kids have German Passports) or encouraging investors to pull money from the UK and put it in Europe (Redwood).


They are liars. They do not have the best interests of the country at heart. Why we continue with this course is beyond me. Utterly beyond me. Nobody's ever been able to tell me why we're doing it and they still can't.

Tossers. Opportunistic, selfish, possibly sociopathic liars.
 
3point14 said:
Why we continue with this course is beyond me. Utterly beyond me. Nobody's ever been able to tell me why we're doing it and they still can't.
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We are doing it because it reflects how the public voted even if it does not reflect what they voted for.
The Gvt are planning to blame the public, for the inevitable negative effects, because they think that having a scapegoat means that they will escape unharmed even if the country doesn't.
Tossers. Opportunistic, selfish, possibly sociopathic liars.
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That is another way of putting it.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
So special treatment for Ireland?

You can't have all countries equal but then give extra rights to the Irish. That goes directly against what you are advocating further up the thread.
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You and your "facts". You've been told that "facts" have no place in Brexit discussions...
 
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