Comey is a petty idiot

Meadmaker said:
Sorry, but I haven't been duped.

The story of this investigation is Vladimir Putin, not Donald Trump. The Russians were meddling in our electoral politics. Why? And how? And with whom?

Now, I should hasten to point out that I may have misspoken slightly. I do not think the investigation itself is partisan. It's the rhetoric surrounding it. For many on the left, the focus is on finding out whether Donald Trump committed a crime, so we can impeach him. That's all that matters to them. That's pretty partisan. For many on the right, it's about shutting down the investigation because it might tarnish the Trump administration, or possibly even lead to Trump's impeachment. That's pretty partisan.

So many of you, like so many Americans, can only see this through a partisan lens. For so many people, the only thing that matters is how it affects Donald Trump. In reality, there are bigger issues here.

The interesting thing is that the actual news that has come out of the investigation itself is, so far, very sparse, as it should be. As best I can tell, the investigators themselves are handling this very professionally. The country, on the other hand, is seeing everything through a partisan lens.
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Do we have a see no evil emoji?

Among those in the Trump campaign and administration:

How many meetings with Russians, how many were denied until they exposed?
What did Don Jr say in his email about the Trump Tower meeting?
What did Daddy Trump write to guide Jr's response when that meeting was exposed?
How many actions in favor of Putin has Trump now taken?
How much of the dossier has been corroborated?

Maybe if you answer these yourself instead of reading the answers a dozen times you'll remember they exist.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Do we have a see no evil emoji?

Among those in the Trump campaign and administration:

How many meetings with Russians, how many were denied until they exposed?
What did Don Jr say in his email about the Trump Tower meeting?
What did Daddy Trump write to guide Jr's response when that meeting was exposed?
How many actions in favor of Putin has Trump now taken?
How much of the dossier has been corroborated?

Maybe if you answer these yourself instead of reading the answers a dozen times you'll remember they exist.
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Add to this... Why did Trump/Manafort engineer the wording of the GOP platform concerning Ukraine, and why did they deny it?

Quid pro quo in plain sight.
 
Meadmaker said:
Sorry, but I haven't been duped.

The story of this investigation is Vladimir Putin, not Donald Trump. The Russians were meddling in our electoral politics. Why? And how? And with whom?

Now, I should hasten to point out that I may have misspoken slightly. I do not think the investigation itself is partisan. It's the rhetoric surrounding it. For many on the left, the focus is on finding out whether Donald Trump committed a crime, so we can impeach him. That's all that matters to them. That's pretty partisan. For many on the right, it's about shutting down the investigation because it might tarnish the Trump administration, or possibly even lead to Trump's impeachment. That's pretty partisan.

So many of you, like so many Americans, can only see this through a partisan lens. For so many people, the only thing that matters is how it affects Donald Trump. In reality, there are bigger issues here.

The interesting thing is that the actual news that has come out of the investigation itself is, so far, very sparse, as it should be. As best I can tell, the investigators themselves are handling this very professionally. The country, on the other hand, is seeing everything through a partisan lens.
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If bringing wrongdoers to justice is partisan, then all police and prosecutors are partisan.

In the case of Trump we're talking about a US citizen who is subject to US laws and is accessible. If he conspired in any way with a foreign power he is *at least* as culpable, and deserves fully the same scrutiny.

The Special Counsel's remit is not limited to just the Russian side of a two-party crime if indeed a second party were involved. So far we have awfully suggestive, apparent evidence of Trump and/or his campaign being in knowing cahoots with the Russians. That's not too be ignored, like the GOP is striving to do.

We in the peanut gallery are of course speculating on the matter of collusion. In spite of not having access to those facts and evidence Mueller and team have gathered, we are nonetheless not far outside the bounds of possibility in attributing to Trump and co. nefarious motives and actions. And if Trump is guilty, he deserves the harshest rebuke his country can level, and which we--possibly prematurely and incorrectly--contemplate in anticipatory presentimence.

I for one would revel in the downfall of all traitorous sell-outs who put money and political power above country.
 
Meadmaker said:
Sorry, but I haven't been duped.

The story of this investigation is Vladimir Putin, not Donald Trump. The Russians were meddling in our electoral politics. Why? And how? And with whom?

Now, I should hasten to point out that I may have misspoken slightly. I do not think the investigation itself is partisan. It's the rhetoric surrounding it. For many on the left, the focus is on finding out whether Donald Trump committed a crime, so we can impeach him. That's all that matters to them. That's pretty partisan. For many on the right, it's about shutting down the investigation because it might tarnish the Trump administration, or possibly even lead to Trump's impeachment. That's pretty partisan.

So many of you, like so many Americans, can only see this through a partisan lens. For so many people, the only thing that matters is how it affects Donald Trump. In reality, there are bigger issues here.

The interesting thing is that the actual news that has come out of the investigation itself is, so far, very sparse, as it should be. As best I can tell, the investigators themselves are handling this very professionally. The country, on the other hand, is seeing everything through a partisan lens.
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I never said you was duped. But I do think when you say things like 'it's partisan' you are playing right into the narrative that it is a witch hunt and there is nothing there so let's just end it.

As for the country seeing it through a partisan lens, that again is what the President and Fox News wants. Divide, divide, divide.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Do we have a see no evil emoji?

Among those in the Trump campaign and administration:

How many meetings with Russians, how many were denied until they exposed?
What did Don Jr say in his email about the Trump Tower meeting?
What did Daddy Trump write to guide Jr's response when that meeting was exposed?
How many actions in favor of Putin has Trump now taken?
How much of the dossier has been corroborated?

Maybe if you answer these yourself instead of reading the answers a dozen times you'll remember they exist.
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varwoche said:
Add to this... Why did Trump/Manafort engineer the wording of the GOP platform concerning Ukraine, and why did they deny it?

Quid pro quo in plain sight.
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I suppose they were discussing hildabeasts stolen emails? Lol Hilarious!

Did it ever occur to you two that previous administrations had just as many of these kinds of meetings? There is nothing unusual about them. As much trouble as Russia is, they should be meeting with them more. But what’s happening now probably is they aren’t talking with them as much as they should, bad things could come about because of that and it’s the sole fault of the dishonest left.
 
logger said:
I suppose they were discussing hildabeasts stolen emails? Lol Hilarious!

Did it ever occur to you two that previous administrations had just as many of these kinds of meetings? There is nothing unusual about them. As much trouble as Russia is, they should be meeting with them more. But what’s happening now probably is they aren’t talking with them as much as they should, bad things could come about because of that and it’s the sole fault of the dishonest left.
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Please cite one solitary instance of Obama officials (campaign or WH) meeting with representatives of a hostile foreign power in order to get dirt on a political opponent.

"I love it" -- Usay Trump
 
varwoche said:
Please cite one solitary instance of Obama officials (campaign or WH) meeting with representatives of a hostile foreign power in order to get dirt on a political opponent.

"I love it" -- Usay Trump
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You haven’t a clue whether Trump officials were looking for dirt, as a matter of fact, there is no proof of that.
 
Meadmaker said:
Sorry, but I haven't been duped.

The story of this investigation is Vladimir Putin, not Donald Trump. The Russians were meddling in our electoral politics. Why? And how? And with whom?

Now, I should hasten to point out that I may have misspoken slightly. I do not think the investigation itself is partisan. It's the rhetoric surrounding it. For many on the left, the focus is on finding out whether Donald Trump committed a crime, so we can impeach him. That's all that matters to them. That's pretty partisan. For many on the right, it's about shutting down the investigation because it might tarnish the Trump administration, or possibly even lead to Trump's impeachment. That's pretty partisan.

So many of you, like so many Americans, can only see this through a partisan lens. For so many people, the only thing that matters is how it affects Donald Trump. In reality, there are bigger issues here.

The interesting thing is that the actual news that has come out of the investigation itself is, so far, very sparse, as it should be. As best I can tell, the investigators themselves are handling this very professionally. The country, on the other hand, is seeing everything through a partisan lens.
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Yes. :thumbsup:
 
logger said:
You do understand that actually proves this group of Russians were coming to him? There is no Trump campaign people “looking” for dirt.
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You do understand your point has little meaning?

Candidates looking for dirt on opponents is the norm. Trading favors with Russians for money and or dirt acquired illegally, not so much.
 
theprestige said:
The memo giving the reason for firing Comey is public record.
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So, because the memo is public record, its contents must be true?

Trump's comments that Russia was on his mind when he chose to fire Comey (and chose to do so independently of the memo) are also public record, you know.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You do understand your point has little meaning?

Candidates looking for dirt on opponents is the norm. Trading favors with Russians for money and or dirt acquired illegally, not so much.
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You clearly didn’t understand, I’ll explain. Jr saying, “yeah sure, we’ll hear some dirt on hillary” is not looking for dirt. So he’s not even under your “norm” definition. There certainly is not a scintilla of evidence of trading favors for money for illegally acquired dirt.
 
logger said:
You do understand that actually proves this group of Russians were coming to him? There is no Trump campaign people “looking” for dirt.
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Oh yes, I understand Junior was excited and was willing to hear what they had to say...

....instead of reporting this incident to the FBI like a True Patriot would have done.
 
In a he-said-he-said, how could anyone trust someone as corrupt and slimey as James Comey over Donald Trump?
 
Impeachment doesn't require criminal wrongdoing: all it requires is the political power and will.
So it isn't so much a question of what kind of conspiracy Trump or his campaign is involved in as how much the GOP is willing to get tainted by it.
 
logger said:
You clearly didn’t understand, I’ll explain. Jr saying, “yeah sure, we’ll hear some dirt on hillary” is not looking for dirt. So he’s not even under your “norm” definition. There certainly is not a scintilla of evidence of trading favors for money for illegally acquired dirt.
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So an improper act is only questionable when *instigated*?

Does that mean that if someone knocks on my door and asks for a hiding place from the cops and I accommodate him, that I can't be charged with harboring a fugitive just because I didn't go actively *looking* for someone to hide?

Rubbish argument to claim that the Russians approaching the Trump campaign absolves the latter.
 
Lurch said:
So an improper act is only questionable when *instigated*?

Does that mean that if someone knocks on my door and asks for a hiding place from the cops and I accommodate him, that I can't be charged with harboring a fugitive just because I didn't go actively *looking* for someone to hide?

Rubbish argument to claim that the Russians approaching the Trump campaign absolves the latter.
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You do realize jr meeting with these Russians is not against the law?
 
Cabbage said:
Oh yes, I understand Junior was excited and was willing to hear what they had to say...

....instead of reporting this incident to the FBI like a True Patriot would have done.
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What was he going to report?
 
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