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Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 3

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These guys don't need to be 007 to travel under aliases. Passports are for sale all over the world. Surely that means people are using them.

Obviously if Cohen did go to Prague he made some effort to hide the travel. Why wouldn't he establish a faux alibi with witnesses and credit card activity if he went to the trouble to hide the trip. These guys know a lot about certain kinds of getting away with crimes.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Nonsense, and it definitely wouldn't save Cohen's bacon, either. Mueller already had enough on him -- presumably something that Flynn or Gates told him -- to get the SDNY referral and some very rare warrants. Cohen is going down, for sure, and if he had a hand in any collusion with Russians, it will probably come out. Good luck. :p
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You couldn’t possibly know what they have if anything on Cohen. ;)
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
These guys don't need to be 007 to travel under aliases. Passports are for sale all over the world. Surely that means people are using them.

Obviously if Cohen did go to Prague he made some effort to hide the travel. Why wouldn't he establish a faux alibi with witnesses and credit card activity if he went to the trouble to hide the trip. These guys know a lot about certain kinds of getting away with crimes.
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Or he didnt go, shocking I know!
 
logger said:
I can assure you I don’t care wether you believe Cohen, if you’re wrong about that and Cohen has proven it, then it’s game over for the dossier.

Isn’t that neat? ;)
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Does that work in reverse?
Concrete evidence that Cohen travelled abroad and had the alleged meeting is proof that the rest of the dossier is gospel?
 
Distracted1 said:
Does that work in reverse?
Concrete evidence that Cohen travelled abroad and had the alleged meeting is proof that the rest of the dossier is gospel?
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No no, you can’t use it in the reverse now, I already did that and it was a fun point.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Though I don’t care for the term, would this not be a perfect example of a perjury trap?
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I don't like the term either. I think that's a perfect example of a silly phrase. It only seems to be used by people trying desperately to argue for the innocence of someone who is obviously guilty by suggesting that they were somehow "tricked" into lying.

It appears to be especially popular with conservatives, although I don't recall them ever defending Clinton by saying he was caught in a "perjury trap" although that would also seem like a perfect example.

This isn't a "trap" by any conceivable stretch of the term, because traps are something that work on the principle of whoever or whatever is caught not knowing it was there.

To be a trap of any sort the person testifying would have to not know they were lying.

Thinking they could get away with the lie is not someone else "trapping" them. It's a conscious choice they make all on their own.

When being questioned by the FBI it probably isn't the wisest choice to think you can be certain of everything they don't know.
 
quadraginta said:
That song sure has gotten a lot of airtime over the past year or so.
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It has, but I never believed it before. But I said serious crimes. And by that I mean crimes that the population as a whole will look at as a crime. If it is thought of as petty, then no.
 
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So transparent.

President Trump on Monday put the brakes on a preliminary plan to impose additional economic sanctions on Russia, walking back a Sunday announcement by U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley that the Kremlin had swiftly denounced as “international economic raiding.”

Preparations to punish Russia anew for its support of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s government over the alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria caused consternation at the White House. Haley said on CBS News’ “Face the Nation” that sanctions on Russian companies behind the equipment related to Assad’s alleged chemical weapons attack would be announced Monday by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin.

But as officials in Moscow condemned the planned sanctions as overly punitive, Trump conferred with his national security advisers later Sunday and told them he was upset the sanctions were being officially rolled out because he was not yet comfortable executing them, according to several people familiar with the plan.
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Stacko said:
So transparent.
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President Trump on Monday put the brakes on a preliminary plan to impose additional economic sanctions on Russia, walking back a Sunday announcement by U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley that the Kremlin had swiftly denounced as “international economic raiding.”

Preparations to punish Russia anew for its support of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s government over the alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria caused consternation at the White House. Haley said on CBS News’ “Face the Nation” that sanctions on Russian companies behind the equipment related to Assad’s alleged chemical weapons attack would be announced Monday by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin.

But as officials in Moscow condemned the planned sanctions as overly punitive, Trump conferred with his national security advisers later Sunday and told them he was upset the sanctions were being officially rolled out because he was not yet comfortable executing them, according to several people familiar with the plan.
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If you can't see that Russia has something on Trump you're blind. My suspicion of that seems to be confirmed constantly.
 
quadraginta said:
I don't like the term either. I think that's a perfect example of a silly phrase. It only seems to be used by people trying desperately to argue for the innocence of someone who is obviously guilty by suggesting that they were somehow "tricked" into lying.

It appears to be especially popular with conservatives, although I don't recall them ever defending Clinton by saying he was caught in a "perjury trap" although that would also seem like a perfect example.

This isn't a "trap" by any conceivable stretch of the term, because traps are something that work on the principle of whoever or whatever is caught not knowing it was there.

To be a trap of any sort the person testifying would have to not know they were lying.

Thinking they could get away with the lie is not someone else "trapping" them. It's a conscious choice they make all on their own.

When being questioned by the FBI it probably isn't the wisest choice to think you can be certain of everything they don't know.
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I think it was on the Pod Save America podcast where someone said it is akin to calling a bank, a Robbery Trap.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
These guys don't need to be 007 to travel under aliases. Passports are for sale all over the world. Surely that means people are using them.

Obviously if Cohen did go to Prague he made some effort to hide the travel. Why wouldn't he establish a faux alibi with witnesses and credit card activity if he went to the trouble to hide the trip. These guys know a lot about certain kinds of getting away with crimes.
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Looks like the story is falling apart! :)

http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/16/michael-cohen-prague-meeting/
 
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