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Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 3

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Aridas said:
Which is another matter entirely. I was simply addressing relevant points regarding alibis in general and the "Cohen was in California at the time" defense. I was not pushing a conclusion in any particular direction, but rather pointing out bad arguments that should be removed from the discussion and why.
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Yes I know, I was adding something more.
 
WilliamSeger said:
And since they haven't charged him yet, you deduce that he must have proved he couldn't have gone to Prague? That's a mighty skinny limb you're crawling out on.
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Why would I think that? I don’t believe the Prague story because the liberal media has a history of these recycled fake stories.
 
Aridas said:
Also presuming, of course, that the credit cards used were actually under his name. It wouldn't be too difficult to use the credit card of another person who he had an "understanding" with. As it stands, though, as was just quoted, doubts among investigators are supposedly being fueled by "weak" documentation about Cohen's activities during the period in question, separate from the alleged evidence that he was where he claimed not to be.
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The same goes for phones.

But you have to wonder if Cohen really would have taken all those precautions. I'm saying that McClatchy has said that Mueller has proof that Cohen was in Prague. These are just some ways they could have evidence. I have read that prosecutors have been reading Cohen's emails for months. A report I consume with a large dose of sodium chloride.

We don't know crap. Cohen is a shady character. He has been working for Trump for a long time as a bagman. He may very well have been accutomed to hiding his tracks and been taking precautions for years. And who knows, he might be sloppy. You also have to wonder if Cohen has kept dirt on Trump over the years in case his very unloyal boss turned on him.
 
logger said:
Come on! They would be the most incompetent investigators in the history of investigation if they haven’t asked to actually prove his whereabouts. Ditto with the credit cards.
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Why would they they ask him his whereabouts if they already know where he has been?
 
acbytesla said:
The same goes for phones.

But you have to wonder if Cohen really would have taken all those precautions. I'm saying that McClatchy has said that Mueller has proof that Cohen was in Prague. These are just some ways they could have evidence. I have read that prosecutors have been reading Cohen's emails for months. A report I consume with a large dose of sodium chloride.

We don't know crap. Cohen is a shady character. He has been working for Trump for a long time as a bagman. He may very well have been accutomed to hiding his tracks and been taking precautions for years. And who knows, he might be sloppy. You also have to wonder if Cohen has kept dirt on Trump over the years in case his very unloyal boss turned on him.
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That is a wildly speculative sentence, you don’t have a clue about that either. Especially in light of the corruption investigation going on about these very people in government.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Though I don’t care for the term, would this not be a perfect example of a perjury trap?
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It's not perjury unless it's under oath. But it's also against the law to lie to the FBI. Still, they may strategically not have asked him this for reasons we don't understand yet. I just think it's a mistake to think we know how and why they are proceeding.
 
logger said:
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It’s SOP when investigating a persons whereabouts.
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For a murder, sure. But we don't know what the FBI knew when they last talked to Cohen. Cohen is Trump's lawyer. There is also a high likelihood that he's going to tell Trump everything they ask him. Maybe they wouldn't want to alert either of them that they are looking into that.
 
logger said:
Why would I think that? I don’t believe the Prague story because the liberal media has a history of these recycled fake stories.
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I can assure you I don't care if you believe the Prague story, but what you asserted was that Cohen has a solid alibi. If you're wrong about that and Mueller can prove Cohen was in Prague, then it's game over for Trump. So yeah, good luck with that.
 
WilliamSeger said:
I can assure you I don't care if you believe the Prague story, but what you asserted was that Cohen has a solid alibi. If you're wrong about that and Mueller can prove Cohen was in Prague, then it's game over for Trump. So yeah, good luck with that.
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The joke is all the claims of 'no collusion' by Trump and his supporters. Which may be true. But the claims are all premature at this point. Mueller is not going to tell the world what he knows until he he knows it and can prove it. I'm curious what would happen if they can't prove collusion but years of money laundering.
 
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WilliamSeger said:
I can assure you I don't care if you believe the Prague story, but what you asserted was that Cohen has a solid alibi. If you're wrong about that and Mueller can prove Cohen was in Prague, then it's game over for Trump. So yeah, good luck with that.
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I can assure you I don’t care wether you believe Cohen, if you’re wrong about that and Cohen has proven it, then it’s game over for the dossier.

Isn’t that neat? ;)
 
logger said:
I can assure you I don’t care wether you believe Cohen, if you’re wrong about that and Cohen has proven it, then it’s game over for the dossier.

Isn’t that neat? ;)
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Er, how so?

Suppose the dossier is just butt-wrong on this claim. Does that mean that everything in the dossier is butt-wrong? Different items came from different sources, surely, and some sources might have been more reliable than others.

Anyway, we'll see if any evidence in favor of Cohen's alibi or opposed to it comes out. Not much to do but wait.
 
acbytesla said:
You have to wonder if Cohen uses Credit Cards like the rest of us. A bank could easily provide a list of any transactions he made during a 3 month period. It probably would be fairly easy to track his whereabouts. The passport does little, because you can fly into other countries and then drive across European borders without having to present it again. Now, if Cohen was trying to cover his tracks he could have gone dark and paid with cash. But wouldn't a dark period be suspicious?

My guess is if Cohen kept using credit cards, the authorities KNOW EXACTLY if he was in Europe or Prague.
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If one were clever, one could make such a dark period appear not so dark by having relatives use those credit cards in California while he's using cash wherever he is.
 
Mycroft said:
If one were clever, one could make such a dark period appear not so dark by having relatives use those credit cards in California while he's using cash wherever he is.
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So if Cohen went to Prague then odds are he's screwed.
 
Mycroft said:
If one were clever, one could make such a dark period appear not so dark by having relatives use those credit cards in California while he's using cash wherever he is.
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Sure. But now we are telling relatives to use the credit card while he's gone? And what's to stop them from looking at store videos for who made the transactions?

Unfortunately, we really don't have a date for when he may have been in Prague. If Cohen was a trained spy, he may know how to cover his tracks. As Trump's bag man, maybe not.
 
logger said:
I can assure you I don’t care wether you believe Cohen, if you’re wrong about that and Cohen has proven it, then it’s game over for the dossier.

Isn’t that neat? ;)
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Nonsense, and it definitely wouldn't save Cohen's bacon, either. Mueller already had enough on him -- presumably something that Flynn or Gates told him -- to get the SDNY referral and some very rare warrants. Cohen is going down, for sure, and if he had a hand in any collusion with Russians, it will probably come out. Good luck. :p
 
Mycroft said:
If one were clever, one could make such a dark period appear not so dark by having relatives use those credit cards in California while he's using cash wherever he is.
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Indeed. This would fall under "establishing an alibi", a basic precaution when about to engage in clandestine activities.

Of course, you have to trust that your relatives won't go gangbusters on your card and then rat you out to the Feds.
 
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