• Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more

Stormy Daniels Sues the President

Status
Not open for further replies.
Jungle Jim said:
My favorite line: "If Cohen had a lump of coal in his ass the moment those search warrants arrived, he could have popped out a diamond."
Click to expand...
Looking through various news feeds yesterday, they happened to show Cohen's twitter feed. He had tweeted a picture showing a cartoon Hillary running from the FBI.

Really have to wonder about the mentality of that. Unlike Hillary, Cohen appears to be in real, serious trouble, and posting childish memes that appeal to Trump's moronic fan base isn't going to help him deal with actual professionals who aren't going to be convinced by such nonsense. Using such a picture doesn't paint Cohen as a competent lawyer to be respected, but as someone who's become so politicized that he's lost touch with reality.
 
Segnosaur said:
Looking through various news feeds yesterday, they happened to show Cohen's twitter feed. He had tweeted a picture showing a cartoon Hillary running from the FBI.

Really have to wonder about the mentality of that. Unlike Hillary, Cohen appears to be in real, serious trouble, and posting childish memes that appeal to Trump's moronic fan base isn't going to help him deal with actual professionals who aren't going to be convinced by such nonsense. Using such a picture doesn't paint Cohen as a competent lawyer to be respected, but as someone who's become so politicized that he's lost touch with reality.
Click to expand...

That picture was from over a year ago, so it's not something he's posted in response to anything recent.
 
The Big Dog said:
wrong.

28 cfr section 600.4 a

By the way, you just got done saying that they were concerned about avoiding the appearance of bias, now you are saying that he can "claim whatever he likes as part of his appointment"?? Folks I thinks I just got whiplash!
Click to expand...

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3726381/Robert-Mueller-Special-Counsel-Russia.pdf

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.
That's pretty broad. Way more broad than just 28 cfr section 600.4(a) (which is explicitly listed only as point (iii)
 
The Big Dog said:
By the way, you just got done saying that they were concerned about avoiding the appearance of bias, now you are saying that he can "claim whatever he likes as part of his appointment"?? Folks I thinks I just got whiplash!
Click to expand...
That can happen when you reach too hard to pat yourself on the back.

Mueller didn't have to bring in an outside team. His authorization would have covered it. But having an outside team to handle claims of attorney-client privilege preemptively undermines Trump's whining about bias in assessing those claims.

His investigation by all appearances has been studiously above board and by the book.
 
The Big Dog said:
28 cfr section 600a.4 is a limitation on the scope of jurisdiction.

hoo boy
Click to expand...

600.4a... (minor typo in your second reference)


And it does not say what you're insinuating it says. There is no jurisdictional limitation proscribed. This S.C. was provided with a statement as to the scope of the investigation and it is very broad. And you know it is.

Mueller followed the scope of the investigation as it was laid out. Plus, if you read 4b and 4c, not only does it say he/she will discuss these broader issues with the AG (ass't AG in this case as the AG is recused) but that the AG will decide whether to have the SC continue as part of the original investigation but can also decide to refer it elsewhere.

And 4c is a beauty! Not only can the DoJ decide to pursue it in the original investigation or farm it out to another team, but if they come across crimes not related to the specifics that one division or another of the DoJ would be concerned with, they can refer the issue to other government agencies! FEC, anyone?
 
Last edited:
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Looking through various news feeds yesterday, they happened to show Cohen's twitter feed. He had tweeted a picture showing a cartoon Hillary running from the FBI.
...
Using such a picture doesn't paint Cohen as a competent lawyer to be respected, but as someone who's become so politicized that he's lost touch with reality.
Click to expand...
That picture was from over a year ago, so it's not something he's posted in response to anything recent.
Click to expand...
I figured the picture was old, but I thought the tweet/retweet was relatively recent (within the past day). Trying to go back, it looks like the tweet may have actually been a month old.

Still, it doesn't exactly show a lot of professionalism on his part.
 
Foolmewunz said:
600.4a... (minor typo in your second reference)


And it does not say what you're insinuating it says. There is no jurisdictional limitation proscribed. This S.C. was provided with a statement as to the scope of the investigation and it is very broad. And you know it is.

Mueller followed the scope of the investigation as it was laid out. Plus, if you read 4b and 4c, not only does it say he/she will discuss these broader issues with the AG (ass't AG in this case as the AG is recused) but that the AG will decide whether to have the SC continue as part of the original investigation but can also decide to refer it elsewhere.

And 4c is a beauty! Not only can the DoJ decide to pursue it in the original investigation or farm it out to another team, but if they come across crimes not related to the specifics that one division or another of the DoJ would be concerned with, they can refer the issue to other government agencies! FEC, anyone.
Click to expand...

Oof, not sure how you managed to get that so wrong.

a. gives him original jurisdiction over a specific factual scenario, here Russia.

b. says that if he comes across something not within his original jurisdiction, he has to go back to the AG (here the next in line) to get more jurisdiction or have it farmed out (which is EXACTLY what happened here)

4c, whether a beauty or not deals with CIVIL matters.

So three strikes....

You know what it doesn't give him jurisdiction to do? Rope in the SDNY to work as part of his team.

C'mon folks, this idea came from Seth Abramson, the poet, of course it is *********** wrong.
 
Dr. Keith said:
The FBI raids are clearly very good for Trump & Co. It is truly another sign that Trump has done nothing wrong and has the best people working for him. I'll just sit back and listen to all the well reasoned explanations why.

Note: Bush's personal attorney was never subject of an FBI raid and we all know how awful he was. Either one, really.
Click to expand...
The burning question on my mind is will Trump's attorney's attorney need an attorney at some point.
 
varwoche said:
The burning question on my mind is will Trump's attorney's attorney need an attorney at some point.
Click to expand...

And will he be able to find one who does not have conflicts of interest? I am wondering when the entire legal profession will be unable to work for anyone in these cases as they all have existing conflicts of interest.
 
The Big Dog said:
28 cfr section 600a.4 is a limitation on the scope of jurisdiction.

hoo boy
Click to expand...

Please translate this, then:

§ 600.10 No creation of rights.

The regulations in this part are not intended to, do not, and may not be relied upon to create any rights, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or equity, by any person or entity, in any matter, civil, criminal, or administrative.
Click to expand...
 
varwoche said:
The burning question on my mind is will Trump's attorney's attorney need an attorney at some point.
Click to expand...
He has one. Most of the reports of what happened to Cohen came from Cohen's attorney.

Stephen Ryan, a lawyer for Cohen, said in a statement that the US Attorney's office for the Southern District of New York had executed "a series of search warrants" including at his office, and "seized the privileged communications" between Cohen and his clients.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
Dr. Keith said:
The FBI raids are clearly very good for Trump & Co. It is truly another sign that Trump has done nothing wrong and has the best people working for him. I'll just sit back and listen to all the well reasoned explanations why.

Note: Bush's personal attorney was never subject of an FBI raid and we all know how awful he was. Either one, really.
Click to expand...

This is why

The Big Dog said:
There are PLENTY of non-qualified legal "experts" in this thread.

Now what I began to explain is the fact that it seems the FBI grabbed the documents and other evidence relating to Stormy Daniels matter is going to make it awful hard for Cohen to participate in discovery, particularly if he has been informed he is a target of the investigation what with the Fifth Amendment concerns.

Sure the Judge could and should grant the motion to compel, but I can see him moving very carefully now that the FBI is involved.

Now that sounds reasonable, doesn't it? Of course it does.
Click to expand...


I am still trying to work out how if you are in a legal dispute with someone it is beneficial to your civil case for you to be under criminal investigation about matters related to your dispute. I can see how it might slow things down, but that is about the limit of it.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Share this page

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom