Stormy Daniels Sues the President

[Zambo]

If the midterms go badly, Trump may not want to deal with it anymore.

Why would the midterms go badly? Trump and his followers are strongly pushing, and in some cases implementing, the policies that got him elected. By the midterms there will be a mini trade war, various status of immigrants either blocked from entry or on the way out (including a strong Southern border with some foreign casualties), Trump/Russia collusion "proven" to be a hoax and tax cuts still showing good results.

In the meantime the Democrats are just anti the above.

The only possible way out is the economy crashes. What a thing to have to hope for.

 

[acbytesla]

Why would the midterms go badly? Trump and his followers are strongly pushing, and in some cases implementing, the policies that got him elected. By the midterms there will be a mini trade war, various status of immigrants either blocked from entry or on the way out (including a strong Southern border with some foreign casualties), Trump/Russia collusion "proven" to be a hoax and tax cuts still showing good results.

In the meantime the Democrats are just anti the above.

The only possible way out is the economy crashes. What a thing to have to hope for.

Trump may have won that election, but he and his policies weren't exactly popular. I know almost as many Republicans that hate him as Democrats. You can't play the 'well at least he's not Hillary card'. Then of course, you have this bizarre idea that his tax cuts for the rich will get you middle-class votes. Note that interest rates and inflation is also rising. The price of gas has gone up around 20 percent since Trump was elected. His impersonation of Smoot and Hawley might not be so good. Veterans I know are outraged about the VA. Then there is the simple fact that Trump is seen as a disgusting human being.

 

[Minoosh]

Why would the midterms go badly? Trump and his followers are strongly pushing, and in some cases implementing, the policies that got him elected. By the midterms there will be a mini trade war, various status of immigrants either blocked from entry or on the way out (including a strong Southern border with some foreign casualties), Trump/Russia collusion "proven" to be a hoax and tax cuts still showing good results.

What foreign casualties do you envision from a strong southern border? I know of some but want to know what you're referring to.

 

[Zambo]

Trump may have won that election, but he and his policies weren't exactly popular. I know almost as many Republicans that hate him as Democrats. You can't play the 'well at least he's not Hillary card'. Then of course, you have this bizarre idea that his tax cuts for the rich will get you middle-class votes. Note that interest rates and inflation is also rising. The price of gas has gone up around 20 percent since Trump was elected. His impersonation of Smoot and Hawley might not be so good. Veterans I know are outraged about the VA. Then there is the simple fact that Trump is seen as a disgusting human being.

Interest rates and inflation yes. But maybe offset by people who do see middle class tax cuts and, with employment low, by the midterms salary increases.

But Republicans (both the populace and politicians) and the Veterans not supporting him/them I think not.

 

[Zambo]

What foreign casualties do you envision from a strong southern border? I know of some but want to know what you're referring to.

I think you are considering something different from me. All I am suggesting is that the wall is surprisingly popular as a concept. Although the wall will not be built in time Trump will show his strength and determination to MAGA by coninuing with his recent aim to militarise the border. If a few Mexicans or others get shot his voters will be impressed that their lifestyle is being defended.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Daniels' and MacDougal's former lawyer has said in an interview that there are pertinent facts about the NDAs still to come out

 

[Meadmaker]

Why would the midterms go badly? Trump and his followers are strongly pushing, and in some cases implementing, the policies that got him elected. By the midterms there will be a mini trade war, various status of immigrants either blocked from entry or on the way out (including a strong Southern border with some foreign casualties), Trump/Russia collusion "proven" to be a hoax and tax cuts still showing good results.

In the meantime the Democrats are just anti the above.

The only possible way out is the economy crashes. What a thing to have to hope for.

There is much truth in this. The people who are expecting a huge midterm GOP loss don't seem to realize that Trump is doing what he said he would. There won't be mass desertions.

However, a few percent overall can translate into a lot of seats, so how could they end up losing those few percent that supported Trump and/or the GOP last time?

Well, there's his personal scandals. Most people think of those as pretty private and aren't terribly concerned, but paying hush money to whores is not going to actually make anyone vote for him.

As for other things that are mostly beyond the scope of this thread, it will all be about whether those people feel good about what has happened. Did he actually do anything to make them better off? Did the tax cuts really put more money in their pockets? Do they feel safer and more secure? A lot of people voted for him thinking that a businessman would do a better job running the government than a politician. After seeing Trump's performance, do they still feel that way? Is he the great dealmaker that they expected? He wrote the book on deals, after all. We'll find out in November whether they think they got what they wanted. A lot of people feel that they are getting exactly what they wanted from Trump, but we'll see if that gets all the way to the rank and file voters.

 

[Border Reiver]

I think he’s looking at quantity rather than quality.

Greatest number of persons on his team removed for conflicts of interest/arrested for criminal activity is a good thing?

Greatest number of positions not filled is a good thing?

Greatest number of cabinet positions filled by persons with no qualifications or understanding of the role of their position is a good thing?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

There is much truth in this. The people who are expecting a huge midterm GOP loss don't seem to realize that Trump is doing what he said he would. There won't be mass desertions.

I think that most people who are predicting a huge midterm loss aren't primarily thinking about Trump voters abandoning him, but about people who previously were unincentivised or unable to vote (mainly through being too young) actually doing so this time. In other words, the hypothesis is based on Democratic gains, rather than Republican losses.

 

[acbytesla]

Interest rates and inflation yes. But maybe offset by people who do see middle class tax cuts and, with employment low, by the midterms salary increases.

We will see, but I am skeptical.

But Republicans (both the populace and politicians) and the Veterans not supporting him/them I think not.

Generally, but it varies from race to race. The GOP requires 90 percent support from it's Republican base. And more important support from Independents. I also think you are taking the veterans and military vote for granted. Soft 80 percent and low turnout of the base could prove diasastrous.

Most races swings on the independent support and turnout of the respective party bases. Off year races favor the party not in power.

 

[Zambo]

I think that most people who are predicting a huge midterm loss aren't primarily thinking about Trump voters abandoning him, but about people who previously were unincentivised or unable to vote (mainly through being too young) actually doing so this time. In other words, the hypothesis is based on Democratic gains, rather than Republican losses.

Young voters becoming old enough to vote is something that would make an interesting maths study, haven't got enough time for that but is sounds like some sort of generational shift in too short a time.

What is not being considered are voters who would generally not consider themselves hard right but now they see trade battles, immigrant bashing, Presidential bullying and Fox news MAGA nonsense find it kinda appealing.

 

[acbytesla]

I think that most people who are predicting a huge midterm loss aren't primarily thinking about Trump voters abandoning him, but about people who previously were unincentivised or unable to vote (mainly through being too young) actually doing so this time. In other words, the hypothesis is based on Democratic gains, rather than Republican losses.

I dont. Trump lost the vote and yet won the election so it's not like he had a lot of support to begin with. Some people who voted for Trump abandoned him a long time ago. He will always have his deluded fans who love batcrap crazy and some people who simply rationalize batcrap crazy. The question is will it effect Congressional races?

 

[The Don]

I dont. Trump lost the vote and yet won the election so it's not like he had a lot of support to begin with. Some people who voted for Trump abandoned him a long time ago. He will always have his deluded fans who love batcrap crazy and some people who simply rationalize batcrap crazy. The question is will it effect Congressional races?

President Trump still enjoys the support of over 85% of GOP supporters.

Some people may have abandoned him, but apparently not that many. His current approval rating is around 40% and he got around 46% of the popular vote.

My contention has been that to make headway, the Democratic Party need candidates and policies that actively appeal to voters and aren't just "not Trump " and "not GOP". I still think that is the case and won't be too surprised if Democratic Party gains are negligible (House) or possibly even losses (Senate) so long as the wheels don't fall off the economy.

 

[Firestone]

President Trump still enjoys the support of over 85% of GOP supporters.

Some people may have abandoned him, but apparently not that many. His current approval rating is around 40% and he got around 46% of the popular vote.

My contention has been that to make headway, the Democratic Party need candidates and policies that actively appeal to voters and aren't just "not Trump " and "not GOP". I still think that is the case and won't be too surprised if Democratic Party gains are negligible (House) or possibly even losses (Senate) so long as the wheels don't fall off the economy.

While you may sadly be right, the special elections since 2017, the elections in Virginia and New Jersey last November, (and the recent Supreme Court election in Wisconsin), tell another story.

 

[The Don]

While you may sadly be right, the special elections since 2017, the elections in Virginia and New Jersey last November, (and the recent Supreme Court election in Wisconsin), tell another story.

Well yes, and no.

IIRC the majority of special elections resulted in someone from the incumbent party being elected - albeit with a much narrower majority in the case of the GOP. The major exception being Alabama where selecting an alleged child molester resulted in a narrow loss.

The elections in Virginia, whilst encouraging for the Democratic Party, also demonstrated how effective the gerrymander is. A 10% victory in the popular vote resulting in a tie.

The proof of the pudding will come in these elections. If the Democratic Party make substantial (i.e. more than would be expected when the other party has the Presidency and both houses) gains, then I'll happily admit that I've been far too pessimistic and have underestimated the US electorate. If, as I fear, the gains are modest - or possibly are even losses as hyper-motivated Trump supporters make it to the polls whilst there's a low turnout in those sickened by the whole thing - then the true magnitude of the hill that the Democratic Party has to climb will become apparent.

 

[The Big Dog]

Daniels' and MacDougal's former lawyer has said in an interview that there are pertinent facts about the NDAs still to come out

Ugh, if a legal ethics expert told him he was bound by the attorney client privilege, why did he go he go on TV and say virtually nothing?

Having read Stormy's complaint I submit that among the numerous mistakes her mouthpiece made was that she put her conversations with her former lawyer in play by claiming he was colluding with Cohen, and therefore the attorney client privilege should not apply.

That is what us ace thread legal beagles call "at issue."

 

[The Big Dog]

Spectacularly thirsty law talking guy Michael Avenatti goes straight for the gutter:

“Well, ‘60 Minutes’ and CBS, you know, they’re a conservative network," Avenatti replied. "There’s a lot of information that was said during that interview that did not make it into the final ‘60 Minutes.’”

“Conservative, like highbrow, you mean, you don’t mean politically conservative?” Kelly asked.

“No. I mean that they play it close to the vest," Avenatti said. "For instance, she can describe the president’s genitalia in great detail. That did not make it."

Sounds like Stormy and Thirsty had extensive conversations about Big Donny, huh?

Classy

 

[acbytesla]

President Trump still enjoys the support of over 85% of GOP supporters.

I really don't know what this means and neither does anyone. Does it mean that 85 percent mean they are all lockstep behind Trump? Or does it mean that some of them wouldn't run over Trump with their cars?. What was the question the pollster asked?

Some people may have abandoned him, but apparently not that many. His current approval rating is around 40% and he got around 46% of the popular vote.

My contention has been that to make headway, the Democratic Party need candidates and policies that actively appeal to voters and aren't just "not Trump " and "not GOP". I still think that is the case and won't be too surprised if Democratic Party gains are negligible (House) or possibly even losses (Senate) so long as the wheels don't fall off the economy.

I disagree. At least when no one is running against him. Trump is a galvanizing figure. And i dont think his policies are very popular with the nation as a whole. Its going to be all about turnout. I agree that it would be an uphill battle for the Dems to win back the Senate or the House, but I've stopped being surprised by the unpredictability of the ballot box.

 

[The Don]

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Reply deleted - it was plainly off topic

I'll take my discussion of the President, his policies (popularity or lack thereof), his popularity and re-election prospects to the correct thread(s)

 

[lobosrul5]

Well yes, and no.

IIRC the majority of special elections resulted in someone from the incumbent party being elected - albeit with a much narrower majority in the case of the GOP. The major exception being Alabama where selecting an alleged child molester resulted in a narrow loss.

The elections in Virginia, whilst encouraging for the Democratic Party, also demonstrated how effective the gerrymander is. A 10% victory in the popular vote resulting in a tie.

The proof of the pudding will come in these elections. If the Democratic Party make substantial (i.e. more than would be expected when the other party has the Presidency and both houses) gains, then I'll happily admit that I've been far too pessimistic and have underestimated the US electorate. If, as I fear, the gains are modest - or possibly are even losses as hyper-motivated Trump supporters make it to the polls whilst there's a low turnout in those sickened by the whole thing - then the true magnitude of the hill that the Democratic Party has to climb will become apparent.

But they can't gerrymander a presidential election, well not without changing from an all or nothing state to a system like Maine's, thats unlikely to happen by 2020. All the dems need to do is concentrate on the midwest. A few thousand votes the other way in Penn, Michigan, and Wisconsin while holding on to Minnesota is all that is needed for them to win. They don't even need Florida, and they don't even need to hang on to NH. There really are no other states, except maybe Nevada, that have even the slightest chance of going from blue to red. It should be an easy win for the dems, but 2016 should've been too.