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Dave Rogers said:
Not sure what you think you're laughing at. "At the end of the day the actual act of doing it and the impact is the same." People avoided him because he was violent, abusive and threatening, and they were scared ******** of him. There were reportedly multiple attempts to alert the school to the problem which were ignored. What are kids supposed to do when someone presents an obvious threat and the adults who are supposed to protect them refuse to do so?

What's next, paedophiles claiming they're being bullied because the kids won't get in the car when they're offered a sweetie?

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I haven't seen any record of him causing violence or abuse.

But I might have missed it

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I think it is best I leave this as me onto a loser, with just one point I made
 
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cullennz said:
The girl student who did the highlighted speech is written in a lot of articles as one of the spokespeople for the students.

She said on her first "We ostracised him"

Now while again I am in no implying it would of made a difference in the long run to him "breaking" and going psycho, I personally think that to pretend this wasn't bullying is a bit stupid.

People obviously disagree with this.

Which is fine.
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I think I might agree with you that it is bullying... but I'd be hardpressed to fault them for that in this case.
 
cullennz said:
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I never said they had to avoid bullying him.

It might help if you read my posts
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You think I manage to fashion an appropriate and continuous response to your posts by not reading them? I recon that'd be worth about a million dollars if I could do that.

Let's not accuse each other of unlikely stuff and just have a conversation without hurling accusations, how about that?


Now, you're trying to paint the student who's spoken in a bad light by portraying her as a bully. Now you're saying there's no obligation not to bully someone. You appear to have a requirement of 'not being a bully' as a prerequisite of speaking on the subject with any authority, therefore, in opposition to your denial above, you have said that people have to avoid bullying in some instances because if they don't achieve the utterly impossible task of corralling a whole school into taking turns at taking to the nazi, you reserve the right to discount anything they say.

Essentially, you've set up a catch 22 so you don't have to listen to someone saying something you don't like. Well done, but it's not critical thinking, is it?
 
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cullennz said:
I think it is best I leave this as me onto a loser, with just one point I made
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So rather than hang around and risk being convinced you're wrong or perhaps convince everyone else that they're wrong, you're going to **** off?

Seems like a sensible option. We wouldn't want anyone appearing weak by changing their minds now, would we?
 
3point14 said:
You think I manage to fashion an appropriate and continuous response to your posts by not reading them? I recon that'd be worth about a million dollars if I could do that.

Let's not accuse each other of unlikely stuff and just have a conversation without hurling accusations, how about that?


Now, you're trying to paint the student who's spoken in a bad light by portraying her as a bully. Now you're saying there's no obligation not to bully someone. You appear to have a requirement of 'not being a bully' as a prerequisite of speaking on the subject with any authority, therefore, in opposition to your denial above, you have said that people have to avoid bullying in some instances because if they don't achieve the utterly impossible task of corralling a whole school into taking turns at taking to the nazi, you reserve the right to discount anything they say.

Essentially, you've set up a catch 22 so you don't have to listen to someone saying something you don't like. Well done, but it's not critical thinking, is it?
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"you have said that people have to avoid bullying in some instances because if they don't achieve the utterly impossible task of corralling a whole school into taking turns at taking to the nazi, you reserve the right to discount anything they say."

No

I haven't

I don't mean to sound repetitive but can you please read what I have said and not what you have made up
 
3point14 said:
So rather than hang around and risk being convinced you're wrong or perhaps convince everyone else that they're wrong, you're going to **** off?

Seems like a sensible option. We wouldn't want anyone appearing weak by changing their minds now, would we?
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I changed my mind

I'll hang
 
3point14 said:
So rather than hang around and risk being convinced you're wrong or perhaps convince everyone else that they're wrong, you're going to **** off?

Seems like a sensible option. We wouldn't want anyone appearing weak by changing their minds now, would we?
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I think you've mis-read or misunderstood what cullennz has said. I think he is accepting that he is "onto a loser", which means he understands that he is wrong, or holds a viewpoint he can't sustain against the counter-arguments. I don't see him saying anything about walking away from the thread, so maybe have another read of his post, with your more-charitable lenses in.
 
cullennz said:
The girl student who did the highlighted speech is written in a lot of articles as one of the spokespeople for the students.

She said on her first "We ostracised him"

Now while again I am in no implying it would of made a difference in the long run to him "breaking" and going psycho, I personally think that to pretend this wasn't bullying is a bit stupid.

People obviously disagree with this.

Which is fine.
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It's not a matter of disagreement. You have a very tight definition of bullying, where simply avoiding social interaction with someone else fits.

That's fine, but don't be surprised if others question this.
 
cullennz said:
"you have said that people have to avoid bullying in some instances because if they don't achieve the utterly impossible task of corralling a whole school into taking turns at taking to the nazi, you reserve the right to discount anything they say."

No

I haven't

I don't mean to sound repetitive but can you please read what I have said and not what you have made up
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Still not seeing it the way you intended.

Okay, here's where we started...


quadraginta said:
Cruz wasn't bullied because he wasn't bullied.

Not wanting to be around someone is not bullying. Not by any rational or reasonable understanding of the concept.
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cullennz said:
So your saying for example kids shunning/ostracising say the red head isn't bullying.

Interesting
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My inference from this is that you do think that shunning a kid is bullying. Is this the bit I have wrong?
 
I would like to congratulate Captain Howdy et. al. for turning the topic away from guns and toward the character of Emma Gonzalez. Well played, gentlemen.



Oh. By the way. She recently turned 18. This Cuban flag wearing, activist, "bully" can now walk into a gun store in almost any state in the union and buy an AR-15 and as many magazines and rounds of ammo as she can afford.
 
Meadmaker said:
I would like to congratulate Captain Howdy et. al. for turning the topic away from guns and toward the character of Emma Gonzalez. Well played, gentlemen.



Oh. By the way. She recently turned 18. This Cuban flag wearing, activist, "bully" can now walk into a gun store in almost any state in the union and buy an AR-15 and as many magazines and rounds of ammo as she can afford.
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But I'll bet she won't. With her experiences, I'll bet she does not buy killing weapons under the guise of needing to defend herself.
 
wobs said:
When I was at school, ostracising would have been an improvement to my day.
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Yeah, isn't the problem that bullying is NOT ostracizing? Bullies don't ostracize their victims, they actually seek them out and go after them.
 
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